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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 18 01:51:33 2013 4.28.180.2)
Beldin,

Bozo, LOL


Christopher Marlowe,

What did you like about After Life? Isn't that the episode where Buffy confines her secret to Spike?

WG



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Beldin says:
(Fri Jan 18 01:48:01 2013 64.92.34.103)
Here now.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 18 01:30:26 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard I think 'After Live' is one of my favorite episodes of the season.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 18 00:50:59 2013 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

It's easier to cull info from your notes than it is to fill in blank sheets. That's poorly said. *g* Consider ...

NOTES

Joss Whedon
Mutant Enemy
Buffy first Angel then Spike
Will
Alexandra
Comedy

First Draft

"Joss Whedon with Mutant Enemy said .... Buffy was an Angel then came Spike (what happened?) Her teammates were a guy and a girl, Will and Alexandra. Hour comedy on ??? FOX


Joss Whedon creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (BTVS) produced by Mutant Enemy.

Buffy is high school girl who is secretly the Slayer, a girl chosen each generation to fight vampires and demons.

Has two friends who help her, Willow (Will) and Xander (Alexander).

Angel was a good vampire because he was possessed with a soul. Buffy and Angel become romantically involved.

Spike is a British punk rocker-type vampire (?) who comes to Sunnydale (setting town) to do what vampires do and have a good time.

Whedon was originally unsure if show would be a comedy or drama, but had the 'verse rules down. 'Verse' is slang for a fictional show's setting/genre/etc.


Second Draft

Joss Whedon is the creator of the new show, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which tells tales of a high school girl who has a secret duty as a Vampire Slayer.



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 17 23:51:48 2013 208.117.99.46)
wolfguard Spoke with a reporter for a little bit last night about that councilmember I mentioned. I think I'll be lucky to even get a word in the actual article, journalists seem to get more stuff than they can use.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 17 23:00:23 2013 205.141.67.16)
Tea time is Mocha, tonight I think will be Buffy and After Life.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 17 22:12:12 2013 66.246.173.34)
mikelmclellan@yahoo.com Yeah, I saw her point as soon as she said it *g!
I know the different priorities are to help keep track of it; that's waht I was trying to do, or what I thought I was trying to do. It was probably a story rpoblem and I was putting together and equation ad, the way I was doing it, I needed a fourth layer of separation. Which should've been a red flag in itself but I have a problem noticing such things, especially with math-related stuff.



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Thoin says:
(Thu Jan 17 22:12:11 2013 71.57.12.77)
Christopher Marlowe, yes, dear, but you INVITE math to come onto the board! And, as noted, the weevil valMichael has responded Mathily enough! GRRRRR! A Pursing is in order, here, methinks. As words WOULD have been sufficient, yet he used formal MATH itself...oh yes. I'm afraid a Pursing is quite necessary.

valMichael, I only have a few minutes, as I'm actually working at the moment, therefore...

Thoin reaches deep into The Purse and draws out a single, bulky item. It is grey metal, vaguely rectangular, with a roll of paper suspended on the top. It is fairly large, though still smaller than a breadbox (barely), but heavy.

Thoin hefts this object gently, then sets it down on the floor at her feet. She aims it at the Mathy Bronzer and gives it a soft nudge with her foot. The object springs into action. Well, heavy as it is, it probably merely lumbers into action, to be honest. But within seconds it is parked ominously just behind valMichael's feet. Bronzers lean over to peer at it in rampant curiosity. Few have seen such a contraption.

It is an old-style adding machine. A VERY old-style adding machine. Large, round, flat buttons on thin "arms" stick up out of it's metal face and a lever at it's side is held down, but seems to be jerking slightly. The roll of paper held in the bracket on top quivers expectantly. The silence stretches. The machine waits.


Now then, valMichael since numbers are your life, I thought this little contraption might help you. It will record your every utterance. Numerically, of course. Quite a feat, but I'm told it is possible. It will translate anythign and EVERYTHING you say into numbered calculations. And it will happily present you with the output of these calculations at regular intervals.

Incessantly regular intervals.

Hope you like LOTS of paper wrapped around your ankles and your waiste and your shoulders and your...not to mention all the clacking and clattering and...

Well, you're gonna have a nice, friendly, TALKATIVE companion for awhile, aren't you? Have fun!

Oh, and be careful where you step. I don't think it can actually bite, but I've heard of injuries before...I'd be careful if I were you.



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mikelmclellan@yahoo.com says:
(Thu Jan 17 21:12:23 2013 98.195.92.226)
DaddyCatALSO The reason you use multiple symbols for grouping is to help avoid confusion. :) Otherwise one could just use parentheses and be done with it. The angle-bracket (pointed bracket) is used quite often in Quantum Physics in the form of a <a| bra (row) vector, and |a&gr; ket (column) vector that are used <a|Ψ|a> where the |Ψ| is a wave function matrix or operator.
The main reason for not using them generally is that we would overload the symbol and confuse meanings since they are already in use as the order relation symbols. less than and greater than. I do believe that was what your teacher was complaining about.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 17 20:54:01 2013 66.246.173.34)
I was watching Only the Lonely and somehow Ally Sheedy was reminding me of Alyson Hannigan ; I figured it was "one of thsoe things" and forgot it. Then I was checking Ms. Sheedy's Wikpedia bio, turns out Ally and Aly are the same ethnic mix, well, more or less.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 17 20:29:45 2013 66.246.173.34)
OldManFan "valMichael's answer was actually much shorter than I was expecting." Cold, man *g!

valMichael parenthesis, brackets, braces; it always bugs me that, as the KEyboard Age has made at least the second universal (even though they really should have no existence in human-language usage, altho they do in descriptive grammar) but ordinary usage ranks them opposite in precedence to what my 8th Grade ALgebra 1 teacher taught us.
And I learned the folly of excessive transplantation once. Descriptive grammar also includes pointed brackets as a separation mark. I was once trying (very badly as always) to set up a complicated equation so I used pointed brackets; Mrs. Hartle came by my desk and asked "What's that, greater-than-less-than?"



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jan 17 20:18:24 2013 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Math
Question: What is the Order of Operations?
Answer: A standard order of calculations (parantheses, multiplication, division, additions and subtractions)

OldManFan and valMichael are operating correctly. *g*



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jan 17 19:10:18 2013 204.180.133.131)
Trivia Girl - valMichael's answer was actually much shorter than I was expecting.

*g

OMF



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valMichael says:
(Thu Jan 17 18:15:31 2013 98.195.92.226)
Edited: Thu Jan 17 21:15:13 2013
Happy Birthday: Baby Chill, Cynster, Dragonlady, Kim!, Little Cy, Lyndsay, VT, and Godsunderling!

YAY ChristopherMarlowe!

Trivia Girl
the order of operation is the order in which mathematical operations *, ÷, /, +, - and the unary operations xN, - (exponentiation, negation) are taken by default in a computer programming language when read from left to right (usually). Use of Parenthesis are mandatory to denote the correct order of operations when there is a possibility of misunderstanding, from either a human or machine perspective. Several books and programs and languages even differentiate between ÷ and / giving a lower precedence to / while maintaining the same order of precedence to * and ÷. Worse is the order of precedence of - (Negation, not subtraction). Some regard it as the highest precedence and some as the lowest. That would leave -92 = (-9)2 = 81 in the first case and -92 = -(92) = -81 in the second case.

Note: in most Formal mathematics, there is no subtraction as a binary operation. There the addition of the additive inverse (negation) of an number is defined to be subtraction.
So A-B is really interpreted as A + (-B), where -B is the negation of B.
The main reason is that when subtraction is used as a binary operation, it isn't associative (a-(b-c)) ≠ (a-b)-c or communicative: a-b ≠ b-a, generally.

Similarly for Division, for ever non-zero number A, there is an multiplicative inverse of that number written (1/A).
Division of a number A by number B is defined to be the product A * (1/B), A times the multiplicative inverse of B.
The only case where this isn't so is in pure integer arithmetic in number theory.

There is no formal established order of precedence that exists across all computer languages, and mathematics and physics journals and textbooks.

The best option is to always use parenthesis (brackets, braces, et cetera) if there is the possibility of doubt as to the meaning of the order of the operations.

Note: PEDMAS as quoted by OldManFan differentiates between * and /, and also + and - (as binary operations) and is specific only to one class of programming language(s). He can say which one(s).



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 17 18:09:56 2013 205.141.67.16)
Thoin My question doesn't actually involve math, just some innocent words. *g*



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 17 16:07:44 2013 66.246.173.34)
Beldin A zamboni has wet brushes on the bottom of it. (Yeah, I get way too subtle sometimes.)

wolfguard Christopher Marlowe lostinamerica Well, Darla tried that.

Yes, I was using an overly broad definition of "full rock-and-roll" as being the setting on which an adjustbale gun is full auto instead of single shot. But I'm quite aware that just blsting off your mag, as opposed to short bursts, is both always inefficient and often ineffective.

A picture-perfectr example of the line between effective and ridiculous is at the ned of Thunder In the East. Teh rebels burst thru a large doorway into an open drawing room (the English are all on the opposite end, under cover) carrying mainly spears and single-shot rifles, all bunched up and not trying to cover or skirmish. Right at that moment, Charles Boyer blasts them with a big volley from one of the tommy guns he's gotten from the vault. Totally plausible

Then Alan Ladd grabs another one of the tommies and joins him. Then it crosses the line, with them striding forth, straight up like walking scarecrows, Boyer with an intense expression, LowpocketsLadd with basically a blank one, and just go marching itno the camera, blazing away, as the end titles come up.

I think it would be an itneresting thing for an otehrwise basic action movie to address some of the real stuff, like what relaly happens to ammunition, silencvers, etc.


wolfguard Christopher Marlowe Like I've said before, there are only two explanations for the gang not digging Buffy up. 1- They were in a rush and just forgot. (I've always said many of these ep.s don't have beleiveable timeframes.) 2-The spell they were using is just about the most powerful resurrection spell available to humans. If the lesser spell Dawn used on Joyce rose ehr from the grave with no transition problems (leaving aside other "Wrongnesses") then this spell, if compelted properly, woudl've raised Buffy with no problem.



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Thoin says:
(Thu Jan 17 15:45:09 2013 71.57.12.77)
Edited: Thu Jan 17 15:49:02 2013
Thoin stomps in from the Lurkage. She is NOT looking happy. Even the Friendly Bartender looks alarmed and keeps his eye on her as she barges across the room to fling herself down on the Comfy Famlet Couch, a dark mood hanging over her.

Or perhaps it's just a cloud of soot from the Lurkage...


O.k. I am NOT happy. Well, actually, once I work myself out of this mood, I'll be VERY happy because...I HAVE A JOB!!!

O.k., so it's not a full-time job and it doesn't involve enough money, but the potential for more is there and it's a writing job, which makes me VERY VERY VERY happy.

However...I am STILL in a bad mood. And I need help from some Internet-savvy types, PLEASE!

I belong to a list, a fan group that has been in existence for almost 15 years now. And for the past eight or nine years, we've had a member who has periodically stirred up a huge amount of controversy and trouble in the group. Despite this, our moderator refuses to ban her. I'm usually on the moderator's side. But for the past few years, there's been ANOTHER poster who is this woman's echo-chamber. So much so, that members are beginning to openly suspect that these two posters are actually one and the same person.

We do NOT have a posting board with the ability to snag IP addresses. We're strictly an e-mail group. Is there ANY other way of finding out if both posters are from the countries they say they are? The only thing we have are their e-mail addresses.

I'm frustrated today. EMPLOYED! But frustrated.

Oh! And YAY, Christopher Marlowe!

Also, Trivia Girl, you're wandering around in dangerous waters, you realize. Nothing Pursable yet, mind you, but...I'm keeping an eye on you!



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jan 17 15:41:37 2013 204.180.133.131)
Trivia Girl - determines the order in which operators in a mathematical expression are performed. PEMDAS aka "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally", Parenthesis, Exponents, Multiplication, Division, Addition, Subtraction.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jan 17 15:07:02 2013 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Math
Question: What is the Order of Operations?



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Jan 17 15:03:45 2013 69.137.69.164)
Yay! ChristopherMarlowe!



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TheBirthDayGnomette says:
(Thu Jan 17 14:15:46 2013 24.52.38.199)
TODAY is January 17th, 2013 C.E


We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


Baby Chill
Cynster
Dragonlady
Kim!
Little Cy (Vilia's Grandson)
Lyndsay
VT
godsunderling



Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Baby Chill, Cynster, Dragonlady, Kim!, Little Cy, Lyndsay, VT, Godsunderling!




Ah, the pitter patter of tiny feet in huge combat boots. Shut up! -Mal, 'War Stories'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 17 14:08:07 2013 24.52.38.199)
yay ME!!!!



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KAM says:
(Thu Jan 17 13:31:48 2013 173.161.108.1)
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY CHRISTOPHER MARLOWE!!!

KAM
Ty King Fan



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jan 17 13:14:04 2013 204.180.133.131)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for christopher marlowe!

yay christopher marlowe!



Happy CD Thursday!



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Jan 17 04:32:48 2013 69.137.69.164)
wolfguard--I've posted before that one of the reasons I liked BTVS is that you could almost believe it really could be happening at some small town in California. So, it didn't bother me that there were guns in Sunnydale, because there are certainly plenty of guns in the U.S.

But yes, if you thought about it, you would start asking yourself why didn't a vampire just grab a gun and shoot Buffy? So I just didn't think about it and enjoyed the show :)

It would have been cool if the demon power in the Slayer had morphed into something stronger in modern times to better protect her against new weaponry--she could have been like the cheerleader in Heroes or something.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 17 04:25:35 2013 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Thu Jan 17 04:29:07 2013
Yay Holy Water!


Happy Birthday Buffy!!!




Christopher Marlowe,

A number of interesting articles in this month's Scientific American. For example ...

"The Myth of Antioxidants" by Melinda Wenner Moyer

The hallowed notion that oxidative damage causes aging and that vitamins might preserve our youth is now in doubt.


Also, "Rethinking the Gulf Stream" by Stephen Riser and M. Susan Lozier

It's the flow of warm tropical water across the Atlantic that keeps European winters mild, right? Maybe not.


Finally, in his 'Skeptic" column, Michael Shermer begins, "Believe it or not - and I suspect most readers will not - there's a liberal war on science. Say what?..." (more tomorrow *g*)


(ETA Here's the Leno clip (YouTube)



The Great Buffy Rewatch

Bargaining 1 by Marti Noxon, 2 of 2

Bargaining 2 by David Fury, 2 of 2

Both directed by David Grossman


A. The Controversy Then

Did Willow make the right decision in resurrecting Buffy?


B. Oversight?

It was Xander who first realized Buffy's resurrection took place within her coffin. Exactly where did Willow think Buffy would appear?


C. Return to the Tower

I thought this scene between Buffy and Dawn was as moving as the one in The Gift. It was darker, literally and figuratively, and I wonder if that was intended?



Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 17 04:20:07 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard LOL! I wonder if Trump has come out with his birth certificate yet. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 17 04:11:13 2013 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

In the past month or so, President Obama was on Jay Leno where when asked about Donald Trump, the President replied ~ that he and the Donald had been butting heads since they were boys playing soccer in Kenya. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 17 03:33:22 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard Interesting that you put that link up, a local minor scandal has a city councilman accused of suggesting to a black reporter that she and President Obama can go back to Kenya.


Comma Dang, Missed it. I will have to catch it later.



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Beldin says:
(Thu Jan 17 03:30:04 2013 64.92.34.103)
Christopher Marlowe - Who knows the convolutions of the bozo mind?



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 17 03:21:40 2013 4.28.180.2)
Birthday Gnome,

Buffy and the Mayor share the same birthdate?

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 17 02:54:33 2013 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I've been looking through Mixed: portraits of multiracial kids (Amazon). Each spread has a photo of a child on one page with text on the facing page. Sometimes the text is written by a parent, sometimes it's written by the kid(s).

One boy, Dante, describes himself as 'Jewpanese, and Jewish, Buddhist...'

Another is of two brothers, they look around 8 and 5. They write ...

"I am Ninajake
I am Zombie Milo
We are brothers.
We fight monsters of all kinds.'


*g*

WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 17 02:50:37 2013 24.52.38.199)
Beldin That bozo must have really drunk a lot to be stupid enough to try to challenge a cop to a race.



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Comma says:
(Thu Jan 17 02:49:06 2013 97.95.128.126)
Edited: Thu Jan 17 02:49:44 2013
Michelle Trachtenberg is guest staring on 'Criminal Minds' tonight. It is almost over in the east.

Comma



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Beldin says:
(Thu Jan 17 02:17:04 2013 64.92.34.103)
valMichael - Cool Frazz.


DaddyCatALSO - I'm afraid I didn't get your all wet comment about the google doodle. I even went back and looked to see if the "skating rink" was causing water to pool at the bottom of the page.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 17 01:59:47 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard New episode of Supernatural is on tonight. I will make careful note of any weapons used. *g*-



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Beldin says:
(Thu Jan 17 01:33:16 2013 64.92.34.103)
Here now.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 17 01:14:28 2013 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Thu Jan 17 03:18:19 2013
Christopher Marlowe,


The Army publishes field and technical manuals and I imagine these days, DVDs and the like.

FM for .50 caliber machine gun



"...proper ammo fire"? How to do it?


Not quite right

To be fair, the man is just showing off the rates of fire of different automatic weapons.


Much better

I've not watched all of this one, but note some of the following ...

1. Short bursts

- It's more accurate
- It conserves ammo
- It slows down the rate at which heat builds up in the weapon
- It might make it harder for the bad guys to get a fix on you


2. The weapon is mounted on a tripod which makes it more accurate and easier to handle. OTOH, you're less mobile. OTOOH, a dismounted heavy machine gun is usually a defensive weapon and is served by a crew (which means it can be relatively mobile if it's a good team and their adrenaline is up).

(ETA An example of Teamwork, the 42 second engine change. (Youtube)


3. They're shooting over at the ridge. If they were actually defending a fixed position then they will have the whole front sketched out on a card so they can quickly put fire down on a specific spot or area - even in fog or night.

4. Look for the wood handle sticking out from the barrel. That's to change out barrels.

5. Around 1:18 there's a funny. You'll see one guy holding a white plastic bucket trying to catch the ejected brass,aka shells. Want not waste not and proper prior planning cuts down on the area that has to be policed for brass. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 17 00:38:27 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard I assume there is an Army manual on machine guns and ammo? I'm not entirely sure what proper ammo fire would look like.



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ShadowQuest says:
(Thu Jan 17 00:14:10 2013 74.33.114.182)
Zoom through

wolfguard, Christopher Marlowe The infamous gun owned by Warren Meers.

Zoom, zoom



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 17 00:04:04 2013 24.52.38.199)
DaddyCatALSO I 'C' You!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 16 22:26:10 2013 205.141.67.16)
Tea time is Root Beer. Made with Aged Vanilla according to the can.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 16 22:09:16 2013 66.246.173.34)
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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 16 21:55:02 2013 4.28.180.2)
Lostinamerica,

Guns disturbed the suspension of disbelief needed for BtVS to work well. Joss should have kept them out and tried harder to come up with an explanation - if needed - to explain their absence. Perhaps the hellmouth radiated mystical energy that affected gunpowder. OTOH, if he'd done that then no rocket in Innocence, gun in I Only Have Eyes For You or blowing up the school in Graduaton Day 2. I imagine it would have also caused problems for the Sunnydale police. Ooops, I the wet team trying to kill Buffy-n-Faith in Who Are You?. Grr Argh *g*


DaddyCatALSO,

Going 'rock-n-roll' with an automatic weapon is not the best practice. In general, one shoots short, aimed bursts. It's more accurate and conserves ammunition.1 No one shows that Arnold or Sylvester are followed around by Tattoo leading burros bearing ammo. *g*


1 In Sledge's classic WW2 memoir, With the Old Breed, he writes the unit of fire for the light machine gun was 1,500 rounds. A unit of fire is the amount of ammo a given weapon will use in a heavy day of fire based on experience in a given time and place. If one expended ammo at the rate Hollywood uses ammo, then either WW2 would have had long lulls as factories caught up or there'd been a return to swords and crossbows.


WG



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Wed Jan 16 20:36:12 2013 68.45.216.85)
Maverick, they were going to be famous! The next Kardashians. More people signed
petition to have Piers Morgan deported than wanted this show canned. So why did
they can it?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jan 16 20:27:24 2013 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What department was Lorne part of when the gang took over W&H?
Answer: Entertainment

Trivia Entertainers: OldManFan, valMichael, DAddyCAtALSO
Trivia Vaudevillain: Maverick!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 16 20:27:21 2013 66.246.173.34)
Maverick Thanks. My landlady doesn't subscribe to premium channels and I support her reasoning. (Not to mention I can barely follow most dramas -and many sitcoms aren't much better- since it's an older TV in my room & i don't have the original remote so, even assuming they still worked, I can't pull up the Closed Captions. I was atd upset earlier this week; I finally got to see Only the Lonely and it wasn't SDH sub-titled so I appreciated it less than I should've. I miss John Candy almost as much as I do Andy Hallett.

Comma Not a surprise; last time I checked his wikipedia bio it said he was in an assisted living community. that basically just leaves Bill Macy and the much younger Adrienne Barbeau from the main cast of MAude.



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jan 16 18:33:14 2013 66.184.47.113)
Edited: Wed Jan 16 21:01:56 2013
Trivia Girl: The BEM (Bug-eyed Monster) Department


Wolfguard, DaddyCatALSO: I know you appreciate a good line in a script. In Season 3 "Justified" Marshall Raylen Givens knocks a guy to the ground and then ejects a bullet out of his gun and drops it on him saying something like, "Keep it up and the next one will come much faster."


Oh, no! "All My Babies Mommas" has been cancelled before it even aired.


Birthday Happies to: BuffySummers, friday, Library GRRRL, Mayor Wilkins, Mogwai, OzLady's Mommy $1@ye!, and Swingchickee


Yay, Holy Water


Maverick


What Is Love?




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Comma says:
(Wed Jan 16 18:24:44 2013 168.244.164.220)
Edited: Wed Jan 16 18:26:04 2013
R.I.P. Conrad Bain. 'Diff'rent Strokes' dad dead at 89.

Comma



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valMichael says:
(Wed Jan 16 17:52:41 2013 98.195.92.226)
Must Read Comic First time I've ever seen Fibonacci referred to in the comics. :)



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valMichael says:
(Wed Jan 16 17:46:29 2013 98.195.92.226)
Edited: Wed Jan 16 17:46:42 2013
Happy Birthday: BuffySummers, friday, Library GRRRL, Mayor Wilkins, Mogwai, OzLady's Mommy $1@ye!, and Swingchickee!

YAY Holy Water!

Trivia Girl
the Entertainment Department

deadguy QOD KAM agreeage, once Willow worked out the kinks in the Teleportation spell. :)

Current TV I am totally loving "Once Upon A Time." I'm part way through season 2 and it's getting better all the time.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 16 17:02:37 2013 205.141.67.16)
DAddyCatALSO I'll have to try that, thanks!



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 16 15:28:19 2013 66.246.173.34)
deadguy Memorial Quod Well, considering those are all active tourism sites, could be any of them.

Christopher Marlowe I've found that, depending on exactly what has accumulated and how thick, sometimes a rubber squeegee can work better than a scraper or a brush.

Trivia Girl Entertainment.

Beldin Well, I see your point, but on the bottom today's Google is all wet....

Christopher Marlowe wolfguard Guns in the Buffyverse. Yes, I can see why Joss didn't have too many of them. And Wesley, the only serious Good Gun Guy, forgot one when eh tackled his last opponent Cyvus Vail. Maybe deliebrately because he subconsciously didn't want to survive, perhaps.

Actually guns (along with his nomadic habits, and age) were amjor reason why I pianstakingly created my first MAry Sue character, Cutter, detailing abilties and backstory, and then realized I couldn't use him.

I mean, modifying a Thompson or an AK or an Uzi to fire wooden bullets is one thing (but would be a devilishly hard thing to clean) but when your allies are fighting hand-to-hand all around you, you don't want to go to full rock-and-roll, right?



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Jan 16 15:10:52 2013 204.180.133.131)
Trivia Girl - Entertainment.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jan 16 15:04:26 2013 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What department was Lorne part of when the gang took over W&H?



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Beldin says:
(Wed Jan 16 14:59:34 2013 173.219.167.82)
Google.com is interactively cool today.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jan 16 14:16:04 2013 24.52.38.199)
TODAY is January 11th, 2013 C.E

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!


BuffySummers
friday
Library GRRRL
Mayor Wilkins
Mogwai
OzLady's Mommy
$l@ye
Swingchickee




Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
BuffySummers, friday, Library GRRRL, Mayor Wilkins, Mogwai, OzLady's Mommy $1@ye!, Swingchickee




Xander: Just once I'd like to run into a cult of bunny worshippers. Anya: Great. Thank you very much for those nightmares.
'Shadow'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 16 14:09:42 2013 24.52.38.199)
yay Holy Water!!

deadguy qod I will agree with KAM once again, Willow seems most likely to see those sights.

lostinamerica One of my alderman is up for re-election this year, ;).



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jan 16 13:40:16 2013 69.137.69.164)
ChristoherMarlowe--There should be a law that anyone living in the Dakotas has a garage for use in the winter. Why don't you run again on that platform--about now it's way better than a chicken in every pot ;)


wolfguard, ChristopherMarlowe--Guns can't play a big role in BTVS because it's the easiest way to kill the Slayer. Who needs prophecies and magicks when you can just shot the Slayer?


Yay! Holy Water!


Belated Yay! Adri!



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KAM says:
(Wed Jan 16 13:37:19 2013 173.161.108.1)
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY HOLY WATER

Deadguy QOD
: Hmmm, I'd say Willow--she probably loves teleporting around.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jan 16 13:02:53 2013 204.180.133.131)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for holy water!

yay holy water!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by

children of the night airlines - no windows, night flights only

since we last saw them, which of the buffy/angel characters are most likely to have visited machu picchu, or bora bora, or mozambique, or even kamchatka?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!

Ok, how many went to search Google Maps?



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Beldin says:
(Wed Jan 16 04:58:59 2013 64.92.34.103)
Yay, Adri!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 16 04:24:41 2013 4.28.180.2)
Yay Adri!!


Happy Birthday Jeff Pruitt!





Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 16 04:22:19 2013 24.52.38.199)
Beldin It was good day at work. It was a fairly decent day weather-wise. Cold, but not horribly so. What I dread most is starting the car, it usually sounds horrible while it warms up. I also don't like having to scrape off any ice/snow that forms on the windshield.



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Beldin says:
(Wed Jan 16 04:11:54 2013 64.92.34.103)
Christopher Marlowe - The work day was pretty good. How was yours? I'm dreading (a little) starting out in the morning. We are experiencing a typical East Texas winter. We don't get snow like you do, we get freezing rain and sleet. It's not supposed to accumulate but the bridges and overpasses are going to be slick in the morning.

I've discovered AnimeFreak.tv. I watched a little Cowboy Bebop tonight and am about to start on Bleach. I started the latter on Netflix DVDs but don't think I finished it for some reason.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 16 04:10:25 2013 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Wed Jan 16 04:12:30 2013
Christopher Marlowe,

Just surprised how you missed all the gunplay on Supernatural. *g*


The Great Buffy Rewatch

Bargaining 1 by Marti Noxon, 1 of 2

Bargaining 2 by David Fury, 1 of 2

Both directed by David Grossman


A. Best Premiere Teaser1

Bar none


B. SO to Anne

"A pair of legs steps into frame before him. Girl legs" (see row 4, column 1)

"As two leather-clad legs stand over the dazed vampire." (see row 10, column 2)

In neither instance, were they Buffy's boots nor did the wearer fill Buffy's boots. *g*


C. No longer stuttering!

TARA
It's Sobri root! It's supposed to
confuse him but it kinda just made
him peppy.


GILES
Van Elton?

TARA
Is that the one with the cute little
gargoyle--


TARA
And a monster. Kind of a Sunnydale
souvenir, we thought. Grrrr. Argggh.


D. Chopped Full of Emotional Scenes

- Dawn going to sleep next to the Buffybot.

- Willow killing the Fawn.

- Saying farewell to Giles.


E. And controversy ...

As I recall, falling the episodes' orignal airing a number of fans protested to the writers over Razor's implying his demon boys were going to rape the scoobies.


F. THE BUFFYBOT

This little bot, *g*, solved many plot problems over 5th season and into and through Bargaining 1 & 2.

- The Buffybot gave the writers a way to show Spike was on the up and up in desire to protect Buffy (see Intervention)

- Served to deceive and distract Glory which lead to her defeat.

Glory ~ Did anyone know the slayer was a robot?!

- Asked Giles then why was he staying in Sunnydale which prompted him to leave for England.

- For the summer decevied the demons, vampires and forces of darkness into believing the Slayer lived.

- But later served to let the secret slip leading to the demons raiding Sunnydale and ...

- 'Cause Willow had programmed the Buffybot to come to her when in need of repair was the way the writers interrupted the resurrection ritual leading to Buffy clawing her way in the world alone.

- Provided Buffy the strange vision of seeing herself being pulled apart by demons in 'hell'.

- And passed on to Dawn that the other Buffy was back.

- Finally, the cool lines ...

That'll put marzipan in your pie
plate, Bingo!



1 To me, the teaser of Buffy vs. Dracula was more evocative, but its promise wasn't realized.


WG



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ChrisotpherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 16 03:28:33 2013 24.52.38.199)
Beldin Not a bad scam that guy created.

How was your workday? Our department moved across the floor to a new set of cubicles. The view is worse. *g*

wolfguard Why am I not surprised there is a website like that? *g* I stand googled and corrected!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 16 02:56:25 2013 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Wed Jan 16 03:00:10 2013
Christopher Marlowe,

There is a similar lack of focus on traditional weaponary on Supernatural

?!?!??!

*g*

Sam and Dean both carry semi-automatic pistols and carry an armory of firearms in the truck of their car. And I've not mentioned the shotguns, *g*, because I believe they load them with salt. OTOH, that salt is delivered via a firearm.


ETA Just googled 'Sam Dean Supernatural firearms'

Presto! 'The Weapons Box' There's a reason these boys' last name is Winchester. *g*

Try not to look at the magazine capacities in the descriptions. *g*



WG



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Beldin says:
(Wed Jan 16 02:32:00 2013 64.92.34.103)
Here now.



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Adri says:
(Wed Jan 16 02:30:38 2013 174.47.78.96)
Christopher Marlowe let me
know it was my Yay Day. Thank you
for all the yays! :)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 16 02:27:18 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard Joss doesn't seem to feature guns much in any of his shows, perhaps with the exception of Firefly.

There is a similar lack of focus on traditional weaponary on Supernatural with the big exception to the demon-killing Colt.



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Kessie says:
(Wed Jan 16 02:23:46 2013 92.72.178.233)
Short peekaboo to thank you all for
the Birthday wishes and the
Yay`s!!! ( hopefully beta will let
me post!)

Hope everyone is having a great
start of the year so far!

Happy Birthday: ergo sum, Faust's
Accountant, Greetings Girl, and
Jeff Pruitt!

YAY Adri!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 16 02:20:36 2013 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Wed Jan 16 02:23:53 2013
Christopher Marlowe,

Ah, the 'rocket launcher'. While the Initiative's weapons looked to be built around real ones, they all seemed to fire dazzle light (electricity) to stun the demons. OTOH, in Primeval the weapons appeared to fire bullets and both Riley and I believe his CO carried handguns.

There was also Giles' tranquilizer rifle, but it was meant to be non-lethal. Off that, Phases Cain had the double-barrel rifle, but Cain was a bad guy and BtVS seemed to prefer guns be used by bad guys.1

I think guns just caused Joss problems. Violence was integral to his stories, but it had to be kept in bounds of fantasy. It was easier to do this when violence was conducted bareknuckled or with medievalry weapons, but guns ratchet it up. One has only to compare BtVS to Supernatural to see the tonal shift.

1 OTOH, the cops carried handguns, but they were cops and not scoobies.


ETA I thought you had mentioned it earlier, but scrolling back don't see it - it being the gun Warren used and then the gun Willow/Warren almost used in The Killer in Me. As I remember, when The First was trying to persuade Johnathan to kill the potentials, The First suggested Andrew get that gun and use it when the potentials were altogether or asleep.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 16 01:52:03 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfgaurd Ahh!!! Now I remember. I haven't been watching that closely either, or my memory banks need an upgrade. *g* There was that rocket launcher used against the Judge. The Initiative certainly had weapons.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 16 00:58:22 2013 4.28.180.2)
Edited: Wed Jan 16 01:09:45 2013
Christopher Marlowe,

A gun used by one of the scoobies or fang gang? 'Cause if not, the following come immediately to mind ...

1. Someone shot Wesley in 1st or 2nd season AtS.

2. The demon biker leader used a gun to start the ~ quartering of the Buffybot.

3. Buffy tried to use a rifle to shoot a demon in Homecoming.1

4. Johnathan had the rifle in Earshot.


1 Buffy had taken the rifle from the hunter. While she was hiding in the cabin with Cordelia, she punctunated one of her remarks by pumping the rifle's action. A bit later the yellow-skinned demon gets into the cabin and Buffy tries to shoot it, but the rifle was empty. This was a hoot, because Buffy had probably ejected the last cartridge from the chamber when she operated the pump for that dramatic gesture. *g*


ETA: OOPS!

I just checked the shooting scrip of Homecoming

(Scene in progress)

BUFFY
...And there'd be proof. Proof that I was
chosen for something other than this.
(holds up gun)
... besides
(pumps shell in gun)
... I look cute in a tiara.

Cordelia listens.

CORDELIA
Do you hear --

Kulak, screaming bloody murder, dives through the window, blade in each hand. He knocks Buffy down, the gun goes flying.

(other stuff)

INT. CABIN - NIGHT
Buffy and Kulak fight. Cordelia tries hitting him on his spiny head with the spatula. Doesn't do a damn thing, but you gotta admire her pluck.

BUFFY
(between punches)
Cor... the gun!

Cordy grabs the gun, tries to figure out how to work it as Buffy takes a slice to the arm. Cor finally gets a shot off -- blowing a chunk of wood behind Buffy's head away.

BUFFY
Cor... the spatula!
Kulak nearly takes Buffy's head off as she ducks a blade. Buffy roundhouse kicks Kulak in the face.

CORDELIA
Buffy!

Cordelia hurls her the gun. She levels it at Kulak -- he freezes -- she pulls the trigger. Nothing. She works the action. Fires again. It's empty. Kulak smiles, coming for her.


So the writer got in right and either I saw it wrong or there was a change made between the script and the shot scene. Here's the sequence...

1. Buffy chambers a round (what I described as the director drama)

2. Buffy loses it when the demon dives in.

3. Cordelia gets the rifle, fires, misses and tosses it back to Buffy.

4. Buffy aims it at the demon, pulls the triiger. NOTHING. Operates the action, pulls the trigger. NOTHING.


I went back to where Buffy got the rifle from the hunter. He had fired. Buffy flung and hit him with a trap and then took possession of the rifle. She chambered a round at that time. So, she would not have had to chamber it again in the cabin unless she fired it after taking it and before getting to the cabin - which she may have done.

Hmmm I may not have been watching close enough all these years. *g*




WG








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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 16 00:32:09 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard Is the only time we've seen a gun on Buffy/Angel is with Lorne?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 16 00:27:40 2013 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I've not yet watched After Life and have misplaced my notes on Bargaining. *g*

I'll see what I can remember of notes.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 15 23:48:56 2013 24.52.38.199)
Home!!!

wolfguard After Life or continuation of Bargaining. I'm up for either. *g*



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ShadowQuest says:
(Tue Jan 15 23:23:19 2013 74.33.114.182)
Zoom through

Oh no! Neil Patrick Harris got abducted by aliens!

And he liked it!

Zoom, zoom



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jan 15 19:36:13 2013 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Buffy
Question: What name did Buffy call herself in Tabula Rasa?
Answer: Joan

Trivia Johns: valMichael, OldManFan!!



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Maverick says:
(Tue Jan 15 19:35:40 2013 66.184.47.113)
Trivia Girl: Pugsley


Birthday Happies to: ergo sum, Faust's Accountant, Greetings Girl, and Jeff Pruitt


Maverick


Human Nature




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valMichael says:
(Tue Jan 15 18:19:00 2013 98.195.92.226)
Happy Birthday: ergo sum, Faust's Accountant, Greetings Girl, and Jeff Pruitt!

YAY Adri!

Trivia Girl
Joan (pronounced like Bone, not Jo-Anne)

deadguy QOD Characters with few or No redeeming qualities:
(excluding the obvious ones: Pure Demons, Vampires, and other assorted purely evil creatures)
except for the following listing their main redeeming quality:
Darla: Beautiful and sexy. Love the way she sired Liam.
Spike: his love for Buffy led him to obtain a soul

Humans with some redeeming qualities:
Warren: Technical and Robotic genius. Totally wasted his gifts taking on Buffy.
Lindsey McDonald: his singing and guitar playing (pre-evil hand) were superb.
Oz: Werewolf that learned to loose control in the worst possible times.
Nina: Really good for Angel when not caged. Bad for Puppet Angel :)
Holtz: was a superb vampire hunter and killer, even if he consorted with Sahjhan. Couldn't kill Angel and Darla but stole Conner from Angel.

The Rest with no redeeming character:
Adam, Amy, Ethan Rayne, Wesley (on Buffy only), Eve, Hamilton, Mayor Wilkins, and Lilah Morgan

Special Category: Riley Finn.



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morella says:
(Tue Jan 15 15:12:41 2013 81.154.242.118)
Thank you for letting me know
DaddyCatALSO :0(....I feared
that this was so..... as we always
exchanged Christmas Cards, and I
did not receive one from her these
past two Christmas, last Christmas
I thought maybe her card had got
lost in the post, but this year I
realized that I must find out
....so sorry to hear this, she was
a lovely lovely person... Thank you
again



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Jan 15 15:04:10 2013 204.180.133.131)
Trivia Girl - Joan.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jan 15 14:41:39 2013 24.52.38.199)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Buffy
Question: What name did Buffy call herself in Tabula Rasa?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jan 15 14:36:09 2013 24.52.38.199)
TODAY is January 15th, 2013 C.E


We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


ergo sum
Faust's Accountant
Greetings Girl
Jeff Pruitt - Stunt Coordinator




Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
ergo sum, Faust's Accountant, Greetings Girl, Jeff Pruitt!




I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.Willow, 'Doppelgangland'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jan 15 14:06:04 2013 66.246.173.34)
morella Sad to say Algerina passed away a while back, I think Autumn of '11 at the latest, maybe '10.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 15 14:03:36 2013 24.52.38.199)
yay Adri!!!

deadguy qod Like KAM, Ethan Rayne is a good choice. I would also say Principal Snyder. Warren had little redeeming qualities too.



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KAM says:
(Tue Jan 15 13:50:17 2013 173.161.108.1)
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY ADRI

Deadguy QOD
: Well, most vampires. The Master specifically. Angelus. Ethan Rayne has VERY few redeeming qualities. Various Demons.

Christopher Marlowe: Yep, not a great day, Monday that is. Tuesday's not my favorite either.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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morella says:
(Tue Jan 15 13:30:41 2013 81.154.242.118)
Hi everyone,
I popped in last week to look to
see who was here, it was great
seeing some familiar faces :0)....
I haven't been in for months and
months, maybe a year or so,
circumstances etc., I wondered if
anyone knew if Algerina still
posted at all, I didn't see her
name on the last few posts and
archives...wondered if anyone could
let me know if she was ok ? Thanks
anyway..



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jan 15 12:37:07 2013 204.180.133.131)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for adri

yay adri!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale counseling center - we specialize in phobias

who in the buffyverse has the least (or possibly no) redeeming qualities?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 15 05:02:58 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard I tend to lean away from that 'what fans need'. We need good drama, not needless drama. *g8



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 15 04:39:31 2013 4.28.180.2)
Yay k8cre8!


Christopher Marlowe,

Mark Schwahn, One Tree Hill's creator, seems to have respected his fans' desires. I imagine Joss would argue he gave people what they needed. *g*



Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 15 04:22:17 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard I did qualify it depended on the couple. *g* Clearly, people wanted them together.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 15 03:43:14 2013 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

You are wrong. *g*

Audience voted that the character not betray his girlfriend. The couple were Haley and Nathan and their shippers are much more devoted than B/A'ers. *g* It may help that while Nathan and Haley had tough times, they never gave up on one another and staid true to the end (married with kids). *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 15 03:34:46 2013 24.52.38.199)
Edited: Tue Jan 15 03:40:18 2013
wolfguard It might depend on how integral or popular the particular pairing was. I would think if it was up to a vote, people would want to choose something that would make things different.

ETA

While I have no doubt the Hispanic population will be increasing, I have to question the 60% of the workforce, unless it is tied to the baby boomer population.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 15 03:34:46 2013 4.28.180.2)
Just read that in 15 years 60% of the American work-force will be Hispanic. I raised an eyebrow on that one. However, I do believe most Americans would benefit more from learning Spanish as a second language than any other foreign language. Off that, read that English is the language of choice in 20% of Hispanic households in the US. The move from Spanish to English has become so significant that (some) Spanish broadcast networks are putting subtitles in English.


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 15 03:13:55 2013 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

I first started this post with ...

The Hawaii Five-0 episode could be really good. I imagine the writers had to create three endings that were consistent with the story and clues ...

And then I thought, if all the clues are consistent with each suspect being the one, then wouldn't the audience think it was not a fair mystery, because all the clues did have to point to all the suspects since the writers couldn't know which suspect the audience would choose?

It's possible one could after the fact label the clues to the suspects not chosen as red herrings, but had the vote gone differently, the what would have been red herrings in one case would be not be in another case.

Hmmm

One Tree Hill did such an episode, but the audience was voting on whether one character would kiss another character and in doing so betray his girl friend.

How do you think the audience voted?

1. Kiss the girl and betray the girlfriend.

2. Stay true to the girlfriend and not kiss the girl



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 15 02:28:18 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard Nice to know we were on the vanguard of social media. *g*

I would caution them about monitoring such media. It's the most passionate folks that take their thoughts to facebook, posting board, forums etc. That might be only a small part of the greater audience for a particular show. And given how far ahead shows have to be plotted out and filmed, changes aren't as easy to make.

However, I will be interested in how the Hawaii 5-0 experiment works.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 15 01:59:59 2013 24.52.38.199)
Edited: Tue Jan 15 02:00:45 2013
Home!

ETA

Comma - That makes a lot of sense, thanks!



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valMichael says:
(Tue Jan 15 01:33:23 2013 98.195.92.226)
ShadowQuest Since I am much more of a Major League baseball fan than a pro football fan, the SF Giants just slipped out by mistake. :)
And I am familiar with the history of the gold rush in California, and where the name 49ers came from.

That reminds me of a ditty I once heard about native Californians.

"The miners came in '49, the whores in '51.
When the got together, they made our native son."



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Comma says:
(Mon Jan 14 23:20:45 2013 97.95.128.126)
Trivial Girl: Honey Tree is the Breeder's Kennel name.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jan 14 22:53:56 2013 205.141.67.16)
Tea time is nothing, nada, zip and zero. Got a board meeting in a half hour so I may not be home for a couple hours.

Maverick Fixed!



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ShadowQuest says:
(Mon Jan 14 21:19:19 2013 74.33.114.182)
I really should be doing something else zoom through

valMichael Uh...are you being humorous, or did you really mix up two football teams? Giants are in New York; the San Francisco team has always been the 49ers.

The name "49ers" comes from the name given to the gold prospectors who arrived in Northern California around 1849 during the California Gold Rush. The name was suggested to reflect the voyagers who had rushed to the West for gold. It is the only name the team has ever had and San Francisco is the only city in which it has resided.

The Giants are one of the New York football teams; the San Francisco Giants are baseball.

Trivia Girl I'm sure the "evil eye" comes from the ring around her eye. Most purebred dogs have long, bizarre show names, often using parts of the parents' names.

Ok, a bit of Google-fu and I find "The Spuds McKenzie Story: Nearly 25 Years in the Making." Here's an excerpt:

But before there was Spuds and the wildly popular Spudettes, the three women who often accompanied Spuds in his antics, there was a litter of puppies born to Dick and Peggy Selk of North Riverside, Illinois.

According to Peggy, Honey Tree Evil Eye, aka Spuds, call name Easy, had a litter mate that was all white and was expected to be the better dog. So, when a prospective couple came to see the puppies, they settled on the black-eyed girl, and went about taking her to Champion, in 6 months, Peggy said.


It doesn't, however, say how she got that name, and I can't find a pedigree for her.

KAM I'd like to discuss this with you further. Email is above.

I really do need to accomplish something today. I still have two and a half customs to paint, a pair of rock piles to make and pony pouches to sew.

Zoom, zoom



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jan 14 20:49:42 2013 4.28.180.2)
Just listened to a piece on the BBC's The Strand about the interplay between television and social media. The lead-in was how tonight's airing of Hawaii 5-0 episode has three possible suspects and the audience would vote on which one did the crime.

They then went on to talk about how people get on social media to talk about shows they are watching and how studios monitor such media to see how stories are being accepted and to get ideas on where to take stories.

The entire piece came across as we're looking at the future here.

But BtVS and the Bronze/Bronze Beta pioneered it beginning some 16 years ago. :)



WG



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Maverick says:
(Mon Jan 14 20:21:08 2013 66.184.47.113)
Trivia Girl: Point of Order. Point of Order. How about my Wrong Answer? Don't I get dis-Credit? What am I? Chopped Liver.


Maverick


Where Do You Go?




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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jan 14 20:09:15 2013 205.141.67.16)
Edited: Mon Jan 14 22:55:02 2013
sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Catgory: Animals
Question: What was the real name of spokesdog, Spuds McKenzie
Answer: Honey Tree Evil Eye (just how do they come up with these names?)

Trivia Top Dogs: OldManFan, valMichael!

ETA

Not chipped liver: Maveric!



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Jan 14 19:52:40 2013 204.180.133.131)
Trivia Girl - Honey Bud Bud... er, Honey Tree Evil Eye.

OMF



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Maverick says:
(Mon Jan 14 19:49:29 2013 66.184.47.113)
Trivia Girl: Potatoes McKenzie


Yesterday at the Library I got the 3rd Season DVD's of "Justified" and I can't wait to watch them. Just finished "Caprica 1.0".


Maverick


96 Tears




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Jan 14 17:52:13 2013 66.246.173.34)
ShadowQuest valMichael Christopher Marlowe lostinamerica Well, considering that my area (whcih is prettty well populated and has a lot fo businesses) is (basically) 50 mi. due west of NYC & 50 mi. due north of Philly, this type of major sport-s playoff season is known as the kind our bar owners fear most.



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valMichael says:
(Mon Jan 14 17:38:47 2013 98.195.92.226)
Edited: Mon Jan 14 17:51:53 2013
Quote "Normal is not something to aspire to, it is something to get away from." Jodie Foster.

A Story
A home owner who loved art decided to replace his front door with a tribute to his favorite artist. when it was complete, it was all twisted, and parts of it even looked melted. Unfortunately it was a very hard to open so eventually he only went through it once a day. Soon it became a ritual for him and his family. What did he call the ritual?



wait for it ...



answer spoilered for delicate brains
] It is his Salvi-door Daily! [



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jan 14 17:24:19 2013 205.141.67.16)
valMichael I have no idea which team I want to be rooting for, I guess which ever team is behind in the score. *g*



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valMichael says:
(Mon Jan 14 17:21:42 2013 98.195.92.226)
Edited: Tue Jan 15 01:29:30 2013
Happy Birthday: Angeloudi, ittybittyslayette, Mr. Emil, Roman Around, and Theyoung1!

YAY k8cre8! (not k9cre8 = puppies :)

Trivia Girl
Honey Tree Evil Eye

NFL Well the NFL Conference championship games are set:
AFC championship game is New England Patriots vs. Baltimore Ravens
NFC Championship game is San Francisco Giants 49ers vs. Atlanta Falcons.

Predictions:
New England vs. San Francisco in the Superbowl. :)
Superbowl Winner: San Francisco Giants 49ers.
(oops how did a baseball team slip in there? :)

Top 5 teams by number of appearance in the Superbowl:
Pittsburgh has 8 with a 6-2 record
Dallas has 8 with a 5-3 record
New England has 7 with a 3-4 record
Denver has 6 with a 2-4 record.
San Francisco has 5 with a 5-0 record.
5 other teams are tied with SF in # of appearance, but have a worse W-L record. :)

San Francisco is the only unbeaten Superbowl team with more than 1 appearance. :)



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jan 14 15:12:16 2013 205.141.67.16)
sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Catgory: Animals
Question: What was the real name of spokesdog, Spuds McKenzie?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Jan 14 14:08:54 2013 24.52.38.199)
TODAY is January 14th, 2013 C.E


We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!


Angeloudi
ittybittyslayette (Sara)
Mr. Emil
Roman Around
Theyoung1




Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Angeloudi, ittybittyslayette, Mr. Emil, Roman Around, Theyoung1!




Right, what's a little sweater sniffing between sworn enemies?Riley, 'Shadow'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jan 14 14:03:33 2013 24.52.38.199)
Yay k8cr8!!

KAM Bleh, Monday. That is all.



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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Jan 14 13:56:14 2013 69.137.69.164)
Well, at least one of my teams won yesterday, but almost lost it at the end--really, you're going to let them come back from 20-0? And in the fourth quarter, no less! *shakes head*


bhd--My condolences on getting the flu, feel better soon!


Sarah's Carl--Thanks for the link to the Buffy vs. Edward video, that was very fun! And it reminds me of one of Algerina's awards for one of her writing contests, a Buffy vs. Edward pin :(


Yay! K8cr8!



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KAM says:
(Mon Jan 14 13:31:47 2013 173.161.108.1)
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY K8CRE8!

KAM
Ty King Fan



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Jan 14 13:16:18 2013 204.180.133.131)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for k8cre8!

yay k8cre8!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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KAM says:
(Mon Jan 14 03:31:26 2013 99.140.163.18)
Hello Again,

ShadowQuest: Social issues/Video Games
I think your tangent is a slew of good points, and these things are all related.
We can't raise a generation(s) of people who don't have the slightest appreciation for what they have and where it comes from, and not expect there to be consequences.
I think there is a growing disconnect with reality in a lot of people. With that, good things do not follow.

Our freedom to deal with things as responsible people depends on us having that solid foundation. Without it, you put these "weights" on it and it all falls down.


KAM
Ty King Fan



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valMichael says:
(Mon Jan 14 01:40:47 2013 98.195.92.226)
Comma I was going to say the NE would beat Hou by more than the spread and they would be the over, but I didn't and they did! However, Seattle Blew that. You don't allow that kind of drive with 38 sec. left.

Tennis Round 1 of The Australian Open is now live on ESPN and online on ESPN too.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jan 14 01:03:16 2013 4.28.180.2)
Sarah's Carl,

Thank you for the link to the article. Much to ponder.

WG



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Mon Jan 14 00:58:57 2013 68.45.216.85)
wolfguard,
Yes 3 months



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jan 14 00:52:02 2013 24.52.38.199)
Sarah's Carl I'm finding that I know fewer of the celebs these days, so marriage/divorces/whatever don't mean much to me.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jan 14 00:26:34 2013 4.28.180.2)
Sarah's Carl,

Excellent editing on the Buffy/Edward video.

Did the owners of BtVS and/or Twilight sue the person who made the video?


WG



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ShadowQuest says:
(Sun Jan 13 22:16:35 2013 74.33.114.182)
Zoom through

Sarah's Carl I'm getting a little tired of Amy Farrah Fowler as a whole. When she was first introduced, as a female Sheldon, I was amused. But her thinly veiled lesbian innuendo around Penny and her blatant remarks about her unsatisfied sexual relationship with Sheldon is getting old.

A couple weeks ago Sheldon had to meet with HR because of some comments he'd made to his assistant. Frankly, I'm surprised this is the first time he'd been called down. He really is clueless about his comments. He needs to learn to "think first, speak second" - he just assumes everyone is grateful to hear what he has to say, without being aware of how he sounds to them.

KAM Had Gollum held Frodo under until he drowned, the chances of him actually finding the Ring again would've been pretty slim. For one thing, "there are dead things in the water" of the Dead Marsh, and I don't think they'd have been very friendly. And the Ring didn't want him to have it anymore, which is why it bailed on him in the first place.

As to the other thing...I agree. However I think there needs to be a higher level of education. Parents need to tell their kids "Ok. You want to play this extremely violent video game? Fine. But you have to realize that if you do this in real life there are real consequences. You don't have a reboot button in life" and then make the point stick. I'm not sure how that can be accomplished, exactly, but do you get what I'm saying?

I'm not saying they should get their kid a puppy and then run the puppy over with the car so the kid gets that backing over things with a car isn't a good thing, but something that will make an impression on them.

I don't think kids are being taught the difference between reality and make-believe these days. They certainly aren't learning the value of earning the money to buy the things they want - the parents just buy them the $300 sneakers and the $600 game console and the $100-a-month cellphone plan. Do kids even earn an allowance anymore? (Yeah, my prices are probably off. Because I don't buy that crap.)

Parents need to turn off the TV and the computer and the video games and spend time with their kids. Take them walking. Go out somewhere fun for dinner once a month. Make it an incentive for good grades - get an A on your next test, you choose where we eat.

But, sadly, it's not just kids who play these games (And, really, why are these damn things even made!??), especially since so many of them are (supposedly) age-restricted.

People have lost the ability to use their imagination. Everything is electronic and instant gratification. Why lug around a book made out of paper when you can just download it onto your tablet? Why sit down with pen and paper and write a letter to a friend or loved one when you can just send them an email? Hell, why bother with the email when you can text them? Because nothing says "I'm thinking about you" like "Yo. 'sup, *****?"

And respect? There's no respect. Kids don't learn to say "please" and "thank you," it's "gimme, gimme, gimme NOW!" And the same goes for their parents. Product ring up wrong at the register? Scream at the cashier, who has absolutely nothing to do with it, rant and rave and swear and make a scene. Because you'll get your way...just so they can get you out the door.

Wow. Sorry about that. Guess I kind of went off on a tangent. I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't know the answer, because there's more than one question. There are more things wrong than just violent video games and movies. TV shows are allowed to say "penis" and "vagina" and make jokes about body functions during a time that used to be considered "family time." Country songs have guys getting drunk and talking to deities, and women smashing their vehicles with baseball bats and waiting at home for him with a shotgun. Other music...well, I don't listen to that so I can't really say anything. (And if I had my choice, I wouldn't listen to "Country," either, but the local station is on at work.)


I think I'll go sew up some pony pouches.

Zoom, zoom



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Comma says:
(Sun Jan 13 21:06:07 2013 97.95.128.126)
Edited: Mon Jan 14 01:24:04 2013
I use to believe that any score in any football game was a good thing. Since I have otten older and seen the great changes in offenses, I believe tht field goals are a curse unless scored to win a game in the last seconds. Atlanta went up 20-0, having to settle by kicking two field goals. With 34 seconds left, the Seahawks are driving for a chance at the go ahead touchdown. Seahawks 28 and Falcons 27 with 31 seconds to go.

Comma

PS: 8 seconds to go, Atlanta 30 - Seattle 28. Ilove it. Pete Carrol called a timeout to ice the kicker. Atlanta missed the first field goal, but because of the timeout, got a second chance and scored.

CC

PSS: Atlanta wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comma



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Sun Jan 13 20:51:54 2013 68.45.216.85)
Edited: Sun Jan 13 20:52:25 2013
ChristopherMarlowe,
Lyndsy Fonseca of Nikita, etc has filed for divorce after 4 years . Shows if you
are not an A or B lister you can keep your life private. The net did not know she
was
married.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jan 13 20:39:19 2013 24.52.38.199)
bhd The flu seems to be giving everybody a good whuppin', I was battling some of it myself yesterday.



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valMichael says:
(Sun Jan 13 18:20:06 2013 98.195.92.226)
Edited: Mon Jan 14 01:37:35 2013
Happy Birthday: Kristen L, & winkerbean!

lostinamerica
An appropriate name for a Packers fan. sympathy noises and hugs for you

Today, I expect Houston to lose to New England, but I do expect them to play better than last time. The weather doesn't look to be a problem: cloudy with a high in the 40s. No rain or snow, so that won't hurt either team.

I also expect Seattle to beat Washington Atlanta.



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ShadowQuest says:
(Sun Jan 13 17:58:57 2013 74.33.114.182)
Christopher Marlowe Honestly? I am supremely uninterested on how the rest of the post-season plays out. I sincerely hope Atlanta rips Seattle apart, but after that I really don't care what happens. If I'm going to root for any team now I guess maybe Houston.

lostinamerica A large part of the team had or was recovering from the flu. Aaron Rodgers had a sinus infection and was losing his voice. Hard to play at your peak that way.

I have a feeling Dom Capers might be looking for a new job after last night, regardless of having brought the last-ranked defense up to the 11th-ranked. There was no defense last night. No protection for Aaron (Something that's been an issue all season - he was the most-sacked quarterback in the league) and it looked like the special teams forgot to get on the plane. Sam Shields' interception for his first career touchdown was the only good play for special teams.

What a rotten way for Donald Driver to end his career, especially since he wanted to play one more time so badly he went to the coaches and asked if he could be on special teams. He was on the field for one play....the muffed punt.

Packer Nation is crying tears of green and gold today, that's for sure.



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Maverick says:
(Sun Jan 13 17:55:21 2013 66.184.47.113)
Drive-by:


Sarah's Carl: You mean "youth in Asia"?


Maverick


Reflections of My Life




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bhd says:
(Sun Jan 13 17:33:50 2013 108.211.217.249)
Hello ChristopherMarlowe. I wish I could
say that I am doing fine but I am currently
having my arse kicked by what I think is the
flu and what
I know is work, simultaneously. no fever
that I can tell but all the other respiratory
stuff. if I survive the shift I have to work
tonight I will be calling my doc after.



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Sun Jan 13 16:57:01 2013 68.45.216.85)
ChristopherMarlowe,

15 years today The Bronze was discussing "Bad Eggs". Next Saturday & Sunday are
the 15th Anniversary of "Surprise" & "Innocence".

On GMA on Friday - Miss California asked about euthanasia: 'That's a vaccine,
right?'
These pageants award scholarships don't they?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jan 13 16:56:06 2013 67.158.37.164)
Comma I saw that! It was a nice interview.

bhd - Hi! How have you been doing?



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bhd says:
(Sun Jan 13 15:40:55 2013 108.211.217.249)
howdy beta
ltns

happy birthday winkerbean and Kristen L



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Comma says:
(Sun Jan 13 14:06:03 2013 97.95.128.126)
For all that like Scarlett Johansson, CBS 'Sunday Morning', has a story on her this morning. Note: She hates to be called 'Scarlett Jo'.

Comma



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Comma says:
(Sun Jan 13 14:00:36 2013 97.95.128.126)
<-- This message was deleted by its original poster. -->



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jan 13 13:57:57 2013 24.52.38.199)
Sarah's Carl I completely missed watching Miss America. I'm going to totally avoid talking about her response.



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Jan 13 13:19:46 2013 24.52.38.199)
TODAY is January 13th, 2013 C.E


We have TWO (2) Birthdays!

Kristen L
winkerbean



Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Kristen L, winkerbean!




Simon: You're out of your mind. Early: That's between me and my mind.'Objects In Space'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Sun Jan 13 13:14:38 2013 68.45.216.85)
Well the new Miss America - Miss New York is a winner /s

"The answer is not fight violence with violence" when it comes to putting armed
guards in school.



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Jan 13 13:06:07 2013 69.137.69.164)
Well, both my teams lost yesterday :( Maybe things will go better today!


ShadowQuest--*pats her on the back* There, there :(


ChristopherMarlowe--When my youngest son was diagnosed with the flu last month the doctor suggested he and I get a prescription for Tamiflu. I know the jury's out on whether it really works or not, but he was really sick for only two days and I never got it. Though he is a healthy, 17-year-old boy--ah, youth ;)


Comma--Like I said, there don't seem to be any easy answers out there on how to lower gun violence in America. And whatever ends up being done, there will be ways for a determined shooter to get the guns and ammunition he needs. But we should at least discuss possible solutions, look at the pros and cons of each and take action. I, for one, would really like to know the circumstances of these 734 gun deaths Slate is talking about. What are the situations of each? What could have been done to avoid each death from happening? Maybe then you could get a better idea of what to do.

ccChristopherMarlowe



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jan 13 06:34:17 2013 24.52.38.199)
ShadowQuest Should be interesting to see if the games tomororw are upsets as well.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jan 13 04:34:24 2013 24.52.38.199)
slides a Long Island Iced Tea to ShadowQuest

Mucho sympathies. Broncos did not have a good night either.



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ShadowQuest says:
(Sun Jan 13 04:26:26 2013 74.33.114.182)
A dejected ShadowQuest drops onto a barstool.

Barkeep, the strongest drink you have, and keep 'em coming until I'm on the floor.



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Sun Jan 13 04:02:54 2013 68.45.216.85)
ChristopherMarlowe, Beldin
After legal battle Buffy vs Edward :
Twilight Remix is back on youtube.



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valMichael says:
(Sun Jan 13 03:53:27 2013 98.195.92.226)
Edited: Sun Jan 13 03:54:53 2013
Comma At first I thought the Packing course you mentioned was a math course about what is the most efficient arrangement of spheres in a container of a given shape - an open problem in dimensions higher than 3 IIRC. :) But I looked it up on Huffington Post and it is actually courses in Packaging, a serious business problem for shipping and display of products.

Also, wines are serious business in California. :)



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Beldin says:
(Sun Jan 13 03:52:15 2013 64.92.34.103)
Edited: Sun Jan 13 03:52:52 2013
Christopher Marlowe - Had a pretty good day. Read a book, washed some dishes, made some soup. Now I'm reading H.P. Lovecraft at Dragonbytes.com while listening to the Mike Harvey Show.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jan 13 02:34:33 2013 24.52.38.199)
Beldin How was your day? I spent a chunk of it fending off what felt like the start of the flu. Now I'm considering getting a flu shot after all.



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Beldin says:
(Sun Jan 13 02:09:12 2013 64.92.34.103)
Here now.



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Comma says:
(Sun Jan 13 01:51:02 2013 97.95.128.126)
They just will not allow Ray Lewis to retire.

In double overtime, in Denver, Balitmore 38 Denver 35. The Ravens scored with less than 40 seconds left in regulation. A Peyton Manning interception gave the Ravens the ball, in Broncos territory, that led to the winning field goal.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Jan 13 00:55:45 2013 24.52.38.199)
Comma There is very much wrong with the entire gun situation. I want to see less gun deaths, accidental or intentional. I'm not particularly interested in taking away all guns nor pratically shoving guns into everyone's hands. What the balance is, has yet to be found.

What is the 'right' amount of guns or gun laws?



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Comma says:
(Sat Jan 12 22:54:49 2013 97.95.128.126)
Edited: Sat Jan 12 22:56:32 2013
The Huff Post had astory, off of AOL, on strange college course and degrees. For all looking for school choices off the beaten path, try these:

1. Puppeteering//BFA, MA, or MFA// UCON.

2. Packing//Michigan State//Requires serious science and math courses.

3. Viticulture and Enology-Grape Growning and Wine Making//UC Davis.

4. Comic Art//BFA//Minneapolic College of Art Design.

5. Bowling Industry Management and Technology//Vincennes University.

6. Bakery Science Management//Kansas State University.

7. Video Game Design//USC.

And one that ChristopherMarlowe is thinking about after retirement:

8. Bagpipes//Carnegie Mellon University.

I am sure that there are many more out there.

lostinamerica: Take one thing away and it becomes easier to take another away. So we limit the number of rounds that a device may hold. Funny. In test it takes an experenced shooter less than one second to change magazines and start refiring. For 120 rounds, instead of using four 30 round magazines, one would use six twenty round magazines. You also can add two seconds to the complete reloading time.

Limit the amount of bullets that one can own? So-called assault weapons banned? Worked so well with the war on drugs! People will be buying back, from Mexico, the guns that Obama's boys allowed to go down there.


It isn't funny that more people are shot in cities with the most strict gun laws. Then some want to extend those same gun laws nation wide. There is something very wrong with that.

Comma



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Sat Jan 12 22:53:36 2013 68.45.216.85)
wolfguard,
Dexter will return June 30th rather than in late September to December. So maybe
you will get to watch the past season than you expected.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 12 21:13:47 2013 24.52.38.199)
Sarah's Carl I found a record of 50 below in 1936. There is a record of 31 below in Rapid City in 1996, which sounds more believeable than the 1936 record.

And I think I'm running a temp myself, but way above zero. *g*



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Jan 12 19:50:56 2013 204.186.244.234)
lostinamerica wolfguard Christopher Marlowe For some reason I'm thinking about Rasputin - or the climax to my screenplay idea *g.



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Sat Jan 12 19:17:29 2013 68.45.216.85)
ChristopherMarlowe,
do you recall any record sub-zero temps? It was -1 on this date here in 1981 :)



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Jan 12 16:37:26 2013 69.137.69.164)
wolfguard--LOL!


ChristopherMarlowe, wolfguard--I'd heard that story too--according to CBS News she shot him 5 times after he broke in and chased her and her kids around the house. He's still alive, so apparently somebody needs to spend more time at the firing range ;)

So, in this case it was good she had a gun. But 734 gun deaths in the U.S. since the Newtown shooting--that is crazy! Maybe it would be a good start to ban any rifles not used for hunting, or let people have any rifle they want but limit the ammunition they can buy for it (I don't know how you'd limit this with the Internet and all)? And background checks on people buying guns at gun shows, don't they already do that? But again, with the Internet, couldn't you just go online and get what you want?

Like I said, I just don't know how you'd accomplish a goal of less gun violence in the U.S. :(



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Jan 12 15:47:28 2013 24.52.38.199)
TODAY is January 12th, 2013 C.E

We have ONE (1) Birthdays!

Safarinephew



Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Safarinnephew!




Oh, look at the pretties!Kaylee, 'Shindig'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 12 15:17:12 2013 24.52.38.199)
Sarah's Carl A lot of people around here wouldn't either. *g*



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Comma says:
(Sat Jan 12 15:16:58 2013 97.95.128.126)
Christopher Marlow:

Yesterday afternoon I stopped by Starbucks before I drove down to Nashville. They had set back up the tables outside and customers were sitting outside enjoying the seventy degree weather. Today and tomorrow is 100% rain with us going back to the thrities Monday morning.

You could have kept your weather out there!

Comma



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Sat Jan 12 13:23:19 2013 68.45.216.85)
ChristopherMarlowe,
I would not like to have your version of Winter. :)



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jan 12 04:42:52 2013 4.28.180.2)
Yay Kessie!


Happy Birthday Marc Blucas!




Christopher Marlowe,

I actually heard the news story. As I remember ...

The woman was in her home when the bad guy broke inside. She took her kids (2?) into an attic room off of another room where she phoned her husband. Apparently the bad guy heard the call and broke through the door to the attic room. It was then she shot at him ~ five times hitting him four times. He then left the house, got into his vehicle and drove a bit before passing out either at the wheel or on the street. I believe her husband called 911.


Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 12 04:24:02 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard, lostinamerica I was reading about a report being circulated by the NRA about a woman with two kids who hid under a house when a burglar broke in, the woman was able to hurt the attacker with the gun she took with her.

While I would like to reduce gun deaths too, I haven't been satisfied with solutions either touted by the NRA (more guns!) or Anti-Gun Advocates (ban all assault rifles).



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jan 12 02:30:25 2013 4.28.180.2)
Lostinamerica,

Death averted? (CNN)

No one hurt, except possibly robber's pride. :)


WG



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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Jan 12 02:17:06 2013 69.137.69.164)
And here's the latest gun death tally: 734 Gun Deaths in America. I wish I could think of some way to stop it, but I can't :(



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jan 12 01:57:13 2013 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Will watch part 2 later tonight. I think the teaser to part 1 maybe the best of any season premieres.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 12 01:17:48 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard Are you up to discussing Bargaining a bit more?

While I disliked the demon biker setup, I did like pretty much everything else about the episode.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 11 23:29:17 2013 4.28.180.2)
"You attacked reason. It's bad theology." - Father Brown



WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 11 22:48:37 2013 24.52.38.199)
And the weather is getting worse, although the system is supposed to be out of here by tomorrow.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 11 22:18:12 2013 24.52.38.199)
Beldin I'm watching Zardoz, just because. *g* It needs more campiness.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 11 20:22:27 2013 24.52.38.199)
Edited: Fri Jan 11 20:33:52 2013
valMichael I got the most important stuff done today before I left, the other stuff I was wanting to finish up can wait another day or so.

ETA

1cham Happy Birthday and thank you for showing us your painting. I particularly like the Flower Abstract, I've never seen anything like it before~



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jan 11 20:17:14 2013 24.52.38.199)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Music
Question: What is 'Der Ententanz' more popularly known as?
Answer: Duck Dance, aka Chicken Dance

Trivia Light on their feet: valMichael and OldManFan!



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valMichael says:
(Fri Jan 11 19:54:07 2013 98.195.92.226)
ChristopherMarlowe So the mounds of work are swept under the snow till Monday? XD



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 11 19:52:35 2013 98.192.33.109)
Drive-By

valMichael,

I agree. Ted was one the episodes where I felt a shade less than angry at Joyce, Willow and Xander for not believing in Buffy.

Standing back, the episode was the type of story where the audience shares with the protagonist that she's being hurt by others' misperceptions of the truth of the situation. The technique works. Wonder if it would work if we did not care about the protagonist?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 11 19:15:34 2013 24.52.38.199)
Home..the boss let us out early because of the weather here.



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valMichael says:
(Fri Jan 11 17:45:50 2013 98.195.92.226)
Edited: Fri Jan 11 17:48:27 2013
Happy Birthday: 944, DrucillaFan, Eclipse, Fizzgig, Iro, Marc Blucas, and Vickio!

YAY kessie!

Trivia Girl
Duck Dance (literal translation) which became known as The Chicken Dance!

wolfguard to me, the worst villain that Buffy et al faced was Ted. Ted was more sinister than even the dire beast type of villain (i.e. unreasoning killer type). He was likeable and worked his way into Joyce's life before he started showing his true colors. Angelus and Kralik were more straight up evil "I'm going to destroy you!" even though they had very different ways of doing that.



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1cham says:
(Fri Jan 11 15:41:05 2013 101.160.173.204)
Oh yeah that's right I had a birthday...the magnitude of which one wants to forget.

Thanks valMichael and Maverick for the Birthday wishes.

I know most people skim this forum and probably wont read this or comment...but I'll post anyway.


I am still oil painting. I have 50 small paintings online now. Yes they are for sale, I have to make a living somehow. Please take a look here. I'd be thrilled if you had a look and even more so if you bought one. Buy a painting, enrich your life! :-)


Thanks for looking.



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Jan 11 15:19:54 2013 204.180.133.131)
Trivia Girl - The Chicken Dance.

OMF



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KAM says:
(Fri Jan 11 15:12:13 2013 173.161.108.1)
Edited: Fri Jan 11 15:14:24 2013
Hello Everyone,

Societal Discussion: Video Games, and Violence I'm spoilering this to facilitate people ignoring it who might not be interested in this sort of subject. However, I'm looking for others views on this.


Due to recent events, there is talk about Video Game Violence (or movie violence).

There are people who always seek to blame X, Y or Z when something happens, and they get scared. Or if they simply don't like it, and they take an opportunity to exploit a tragedy to forward what they always wanted anyway.
So, some have pointed to violent Video Games or movies. Personally, I've historically thought this was utter nonsense. In my way of thinking, people don't go out and shoot others because they saw it in a movie or video game. Of course, Non-Criminals and Non-Lunatics don't go out shooting anyone, period.

I recall watching MSNBC some years back (maybe 10-12 years ago) and a guy (former Military), was going on about first person shooter games being "Murder Simulators." I dismissed this guy as an idiot, reasoning REAL shooting is a lot different than clicking a mouse (it is), and essentially that no reasonable person would be influenced by that.
Flaw in my thinking...people aren't reasonable. At least some aren't and frankly...I think that problem is getting worse, not better. I'll get back to that in a minute.

I haven't been a heavy Video game player really in my life with the exception of relatively short periods. This past year I played MANY hours of Diablo 3 (insanely violent). In 1994 or so I played a lot of X-Wing (Video game)--no so violent. And around that time I also played quite a bit of Quake (FPS) over a LAN. I enjoyed "shooting" my friends and blowing them up with Rocket Launchers, etc.
However, never once did I pull a gun on any of them, or in fact harm any of them in any way. However, I would be lying if I said that Playing video games didn't have ANY affect on me.

The most noticeable effect is found in games like Tetris (or others with a lot of repetitive, hand-eye coordination sorts of tasks. When stepping away from that my mind tends to keep chugging along that sort of trained path.
We DO learn things by practice, so when you do something for a lot of repetitions, it tends to become 2nd nature. That's really a physical and perception sort of thing, not a psychological one.

As I said--I played video games where I "killed" my friends...a lot, but it never influenced me to kill them. But could it? DID it actually influence me, but my moral sense and awareness of reality stops that cold. What if a person with LESS moral sense, and less awareness of reality (let's say because they are mentally unstable) and who plays that a LOT more. Could it affect them?
The answer is, that I do not know, but it seems to me to say there is ZERO affect, and ZERO chance of SOMEONE being affected by that seems to be incorrect.

We know that little children copy behaviors they see--from whatever the source, real or totally unreal, because they have to learn what is real and what is make-believe. That's NOT a problem--it is called having an imagination, and is a positive part of the mind developing I think. However, if they DON'T learn or CAN'T learn the difference between reality and non-reality...clearly that can be a problem.

None of this is intended to provide an excuse for anyone's negative action of any kind. However, I have to admit that it is certainly POSSIBLE that SOME people might be influenced by things that don't influence others. It seems that a person with serious mental instability is probably more likely to be subject to this sort of influence.
But hasn't this always been the case? I grew up watching Violent cartoons like Tom and Jerry. Haven't there been "Soap Opera Stalkers" long ago--people that fantasized that they were in love with fictional characters?
But of course video games are becoming more realistic, and an 8-Bit Atari "Combat" game probably had a MUCH different effect than Call of Duty.

So, what does any of this lead me to? Do I think we should BAN these sorts of things? Should we BAN violent video games, and movies and TV shows? Should we restrict everyone, because someone with mental instability (or outright insanity) MIGHT be affected by it?
My answer is no. You can NEVER solve a problem by misidentifying it, and that's what this would be. The problem with someone with mental instability is the mental instability, not the thing that the person encounters. On the other hand, we should realize that combining mental instability with violent images and simulation is areally bad idea.

Back to people being unreasonable. Like Tetris that trains your eyes and hands, I think the Internet has trained people to be MORE unreasonable. You can mouth-off on the internet with no consequences, and that has carried over into real life.
Social Media makes people feel as if they are important and have and DESERVE a wide audience--people who "follow" them, or are their "Friends."

I read about a Study that has been going on polling College Freshmen, one of the points was that they are much more likely to say they are "above average" or "gifted" while actually scoring more poorly on aptitude tests. We seem to be raising a society of narcissists.

I've also noted a strong tendency to believe that just because you think something is right, that you are free to follow any means to advocate that or make it happen. Apparently gone is any sense of "mind your own business" or respect for OTHER peoples' rights or preferences.
I mention this, because I'm really wondering if we're seeing our society devolving--people lacking moral or ethical values (of ANY kind), and perhaps even basic psychological stability. This is then combining with more intense and realistic non-real influences (video games for example).

So, my former view that it was incorrect to blame video games for someone's behavior isn't invalid, but perhaps it is more conditional.

To tie this into BtVS, I'll reference Willow. I said from early on that Willow was becoming dependent on externals (my boyfriend is in a band, magic, etc) as her becoming WEAKER. Others argued that she was becoming STRONGER--as a person. That reveals two different world-views I suppose. Mine is that humble individualism is a strength, while being subject to externals for self-worth is a weakness.

So, should we ban violent video games, and movies? Should we place demands on makers of such things to follow some arbitrary limitations? I'm sure people have different answers to that.
Personally, I MUST stand on the side of personal responsibility. They can choose to make horrific stuff, but I don't need to watch it. I'm an individual and I have a sense of morality and ethics, and I am responsible for myself.
Little children don't have this capacity to start, and therefore others take that responsibility for them, and they MUST. The same goes for the mentally unstable.

I don't think we should fool ourselves into thinking that "if only we got rid of those horrible video games, everything would be ok." That's treating the symptom, not the cause. If it isn't that it will be something else.
We need to avoid playing the blame-game("simple solutions") to make ourselves feel better, and deal with reality if there is to ever be any real solutions.

End Topic

KAM
Ty King Fan



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jan 11 15:04:18 2013 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Music
Question: What is 'Der Ententanz' more popularly known as?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jan 11 14:11:36 2013 24.52.38.199)
TODAY is January 11th, 2013 C.E


We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


944
DrucillaFan
Eclipse
Fizzgig
Iro
Marc Blucas as Riley Finn
Vickio




Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
944, DrucillaFan, Eclipse, Fizzgig, Iro, Marc Blucas, Vickio!




I'm so evil and... skanky. And I think I'm kinda gay.Willow, 'Doppelgangland'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 11 14:06:21 2013 24.52.38.199)
yay Kessie!

I think this will be the only Friday that I will not thank Joss for, too much work tonight *g*



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jan 11 14:05:10 2013 69.137.69.164)
Stop Bashing the French

But. . .why not, it's always been so fun ;)



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KAM says:
(Fri Jan 11 13:45:41 2013 173.161.108.1)
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY KESSIE

ShadowQuest
: I think Gollum saves Frodo, otherwise, he would probably hold his head under and then search for the Ring.

There is some background on Smeagol (forget where exactly) where it talks about the Ring capitalizing on something about Smeagol, so he isn't as good hearted as let's say Bilbo or Frodo. Of course, the Ring (in the Revised Hobbit vs original) immediately controls Bilbo in some way too, influencing him to lie about how he got it. In Smeagol's case, he murders his cousin to get it, and then gets really weird such that his family and neighbors start to despise him--and it is they who called him Gollum. He became a thief as well.

After being rejected by his fellow Stoors (a type of Hobbit) he apparently wandered around, but the Sun and Moon bothered him (the Bright eye and Pale eye) which is why he moved into the caves.

So, I think he was "over the edge" long before Bilbo came along, but his situation was somewhat stable. He killed Orcs once in a while or caught fish in his lake, and caressed the Precious. He was "Happy." But losing the object of his obsession...well, we know how that went.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jan 11 13:31:30 2013 66.246.173.34)
Maverick Yes, it was originally a movie, a noir.

One big problem with your generational breakdown is that "average" you used. There is no reason to assume any kind of steady or even increase. Oversimplifying,the ancestors of modern animals were basically all small from the beginning until only a few tens of millions of eyars ago. Plenty of time for basic types to emrge, then specialize once the vacant ecolo-niches became avaliable



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Jan 11 13:30:38 2013 69.137.69.164)
Comma--Go to Loveless Cafe if you haven't been yet and have the fried chicken. And biscuits, of course :)

As for your trip, what valMichael said. And once you've found your routes Google the cities you'll pass through and see which have the most interesting sights or best places to eat that you'd probably never heard of before, like the burros that walk the streets of Oatman, AZ--my mom and her sister made sure they went through this town on her move to Nashville! Oatman, AZ

I think I've said before that one day my husband and I hope to make a Route 66 trip--I really want to stay in one of these along the way: Wigwam Motel. Bonus if we could make the trip in a muscle car ;)


Belated Yay! RedCrayon!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jan 11 13:17:29 2013 204.180.133.131)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for kessie!

yay kessie!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Fri Jan 11 09:39:16 2013 68.45.216.85)
Shadowquest,
I had watched Big Bang Theory and never watch Two & a half men. But I like POI &
Elementary. But I think they have Amy Farrah Fowler shock us too much.



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ShadowQuest says:
(Fri Jan 11 07:32:25 2013 74.33.114.182)
Late-night zoom through

Sarah's Carl I'm sorry to say that I watched that.

I felt so horribly uncomfortable I wanted to turn it off, but I was trying to determine if that was really Ashton Kutcher & Jon Cryer singing or not.

That was SO disgusting. Not funny in the least, just an excuse to sing about body parts and hygiene products. That "song" put me off the show permanently. And I'd only come back to watching it just before Christmas because I kind of liked the "Walden as Sam Wilson" storyline. I'd quit watching it long before Charlie Sheen had his meltdown because it had turned into yet another "bathroom humor" sitcom. It ceased being funny and just made me wince.

The only sitcom I watch now is "Big Bang Theory" - it's actually funny, they don't resort to crude humor and the jokes are at their own expense, not vicious attacks on someone else. There's no typical "guy thinks he's being all smart and crafty until his plan blows up in his face/his wife catches him" or bodily parts/functions gags. Just four goofy, loveable nerds and their assorted significant others. Well, except for poor Raj, but I have a feeling he'll end up with someone soon.

KAM, Beldin Ok, here's a question for you: In The Two Towers, when Frodo is entranced by the lights in the Dead Swamp and falls in...does Gollum save him, or the Ring?

It's fascinating watching Smeagol's internal battle with Gollum. Gollum "loves and hates himself, just as he loves and hates the Ring," but Smeagol is sorry it ever came into his possession. When he first comes on Sam & Frodo and they struggle, Gollum is clearly in charge. But after Frodo subdues him and Sam puts the Elven rope around his neck, Smeagol wants to make Frodo happy. He wants someone to be nice to him; the longer he's with Frodo the more he tries to please him and try to stay in control. Unfortunately being in such close proximity to "the Precious" is giving Gollum more power over Smeagol.

It'd be interesting to see a Gollum movie. We only get a brief background on him in the opening of The Return of the King - what was Smeagol like before he killed Deagol for the Ring? What happened after he was kicked out of his village that turned him into Gollum? The Ring took control, but why did he end up living in caves? In The Hobbit it seems Smeagol is more in charge than Gollum - was Bilbo "stealing" the Ring what pushed him over the edge? For sixty long years he hated "Bagginses" - does he know that Frodo is Bilbo's nephew?

Lots to think about.

Zoom, zoom



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 11 04:57:00 2013 4.28.180.2)
Yay Red Crayon!!


valMichael,

I'm a rational hedonist and sybarite.

LOL


Christopher Marlowe & DaddyCatALSO,

To me, the demon bikers felt more like bikers than demons. Their raid on Sunnydale felt out-of-place. The demons that scare me believe discourse is beyond the pale - Alien, the Shark of Jaws, Jason.

This was rarely the case with buffyverse demons and became less so over the seasons. Perhaps it's easier to write stories with talking demons?

A demon is a demon, of course of course
And no one can talk to a demon of course
Unless of course the name of the demon is the famous Mr. Ed.

(Okay, I'm reaching here *g*)


Now talking demons can scare me. Both Angelus and ~Krawhatnot (Helpless) made me fear for Buffy and the others, but that's the list. :(

What other ways could Joss have put the hurt on Sunnydale and show how critical is was to have Buffy back?



Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 11 03:08:39 2013 24.52.38.199)
Comma I'm sure OldManFan might have some insights, he's pretty much traveled to all the fifty states.



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valMichael says:
(Fri Jan 11 02:38:47 2013 98.195.92.226)
Edited: Fri Jan 11 02:39:31 2013
Comma What's the purpose of the trip? I.E. is it sightseeing, visiting someone in Ft. Collins, both, or something else?
If it's sight seeing, stay off the Interstates and find the scenic/historic routes on the way there. The auto club (AAA, Exxon, etc.) will give you free route maps based on your interests..

If it's just to visit someone and travel time is of the essence, take the Interstates if possible but you'll find that the route from Nashville, to St. Louis and then to Denver is probably the fastest. It will be fairly dull though. Or you can go thru Little Rock to Amarillo, then diagonally up to Pueblo, CO and up. Some interesting geology in SE CO.

If you are a baseball fan, check out going to a Cardinals game. :)



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Fri Jan 11 01:55:36 2013 68.45.216.85)
If "Once More with Feelings" restarted the appearance of songs in TV shows, then I
think "Two and half Men" Just put a Nail in the coffin. :)



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Comma says:
(Fri Jan 11 01:42:30 2013 97.95.128.126)
Question for all: 'In June we will be traveling from North Middle Tenessee to Fort Collins, CO. In 2007, Monica and I made the trip to Colorado Springs by traveling through South Dakota, through Cheyenne and Denver. We will not have the time this year to make that trip. Coming back, in 2007, we traveled I-70 to St Louis and then south to home. We thought that ws the dullest trip ever.'

'The question is, if all were making the trip would all prefer to travel:

1. Saint Louis, across Kansas and Missouri, to south of Denver and North to Fort Collins?

2. Saint Louis, across Missouri, up to I-80 in Nebraska, West to Cheyenne, South to Fort Collins?

3. Saint Louis, north to South of Quincy. West through St. Joseph, West across south-middle Nebraska, North of Denver, to Fort Collins?

For all that live out there, or have mde that trip, please help!

Thanks.

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 11 01:27:16 2013 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

There's no timing problem. You either do not quite understand the biology or are unable to communicate it well.

Biological evolution is not an entirely random process nor are mutations the only source generating variation in genes. For instance, sex creates variation.

Perhaps more later

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 11 00:49:54 2013 4.28.180.2)
Pondering Demon Bikers


Maverick,

Will read and reply later tonight.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 11 00:25:32 2013 208.117.99.46)
wishing it was Saturday already



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Maverick says:
(Thu Jan 10 23:02:05 2013 66.184.47.113)
Edited: Thu Jan 10 23:57:32 2013
DaddyCatALSO: I believe "Naked City" WAS a movie (which I've never seen) although I remember it as the TV Series with Paul Burke and Nancy Malone and Horace McMahon and Harry Bellaver. I remember I was impressed with the writing of it, right off the bat, and it was my first exposure to Jews (we had a few in the town I grew up in but they mostly owned the big stores.) It was also my first comprehension of the Holocaust (some of the Jews had tattooed numbers.) Another series I later really liked was "Route 66" and I found out it had pretty-much the same writers as "Naked City" (Stirling Silliphant and Howard Rodman.) George C. Scott was in "East Side/West Side" as I remember.


Belated Birthday Happies to: Arctic Lurker, beppie, Christine, Lester 'Creep' Crawley, D of B, Kath60, Mrs. Beasley, TERA, the cordy, Little Anais, Little Riley, RockAngel, and Shiobhan


Yay, Red Crayon, Yay!


Wolfguard: Oh, once again I got too ambitious and was trying to say too much at the same time. When I talked about cell-division I was just doing a down-and-dirty estimation of an average generation. For instance, an average generation for a one-celled animal might be a couple hours, whereas for a human it might be 20 years. Averaging these two and all others species between them in the evolutionary process and I guessed 1 year would be fair average generation time. See, I was, like, comparing a single human body to a giant jigsaw puzzle with 5 trillion (my more-conservative number) pieces (cells.) And I was saying it would take a minimum of 1 year to add each, fully-functioning and fully-integrated, piece. That's 5 Trillion Years. The irony is that the Universe is only supposed to be 13.7 Billion years old. Even if we say, okay, a generation is one day, we still get that it would take approx. 13.7 billion years to make a human, and the earth has only been around the last 3-4 billion years, so . . . Coming at it from a different direction, there are 3 billion gene-pairs in the human genome which consists of 24 genes. Give each gene-pair just one day to "get it right" and you can see we again have a timing problem. ALSO, I thought all varieties available for evolution arose from mutations. Where else? I was watching a program last night where white Europeans were tested and turned out to be 3% Neanderthal, Chinese were around 2% and Africans were close to 0%. They posited that the Neanderthals disappeared when they mated with Cro-Magnon and the Cro-Magnon's genes were more dominant and supplanted just about all traces of them. So, we have recessive-dominant genes but the reason they are different still was from mutations.


Maverick


I Hate Myself For Loving You




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 10 22:50:29 2013 205.141.67.16)
Tea time is hot water, hot chocolate and hot coffee. Hot all around.



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jan 10 21:23:01 2013 204.180.133.131)
Trivia Girl - change tactics? You'll use sock puppets? Video? Million dollar prizes?

*g

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jan 10 19:52:43 2013 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Words
Questions: In ZIP code, What is ZIP an abbreviation for?
Answer: Zone Improvement Plan

Trivia Got Zip: OldManFan, valMichael, Maverick

I might change tactics to try to get a few more folks willing to participate in the trivia. *g*



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Maverick says:
(Thu Jan 10 19:48:27 2013 66.184.47.113)
Trivia Girl: It was originally Zonal Information Postal Protocol or ZIPP, but they shortened it to just ZIP.


Birthday Happies to: bec, Carolyn Grace, Catmint, Isis Osiris, Kitty, and Starlette


Maverick


Eyes Without A Face




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 10 18:00:00 2013 66.246.173.34)
Christopher Marlowe That would've been a great idea, if the bikers had been shown to have or know a "warlock-type" who could've cast that spell. Absent the evidence needed to supprot a proepr fanwank, it becomes another "Lawrence of Arabia crossed the desert on an apothecary" defense.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 10 17:54:42 2013 205.141.67.16)
DaddyCatALSO All I can think of for the lack of anyone other than the scoobies (townpeople, cops etc) is that perhaps some sort of spell was cast over the town, part of the biker's mo for attacking a town.



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KAM says:
(Thu Jan 10 16:58:28 2013 173.161.108.1)
Good Morning Everyone,

Christopher Marlowe: Well, I'm hoping to get some sleep.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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valMichael says:
(Thu Jan 10 16:20:43 2013 98.195.92.226)
Edited: Thu Jan 10 17:15:17 2013
Happy Birthday: bec, Carolyn Grace, Catmint, Isis Osiris, Kitty, and Starlette!

YAY Red Crayon!

Trivia Girl
Zone Improvement Plan. I can just see the post office working without Zip codes, bar codes and automatic sorting machines. With the amount of traffic they have, it would take 2 weeks for a letter to go across town. :)

wolfguard An act a day? does that include a separate day for the teaser, since they sometimes were fairly long?

I couldn't do that. There is no way I could discipline myself to keep from watching a full episode of Buffy (or more) at a time. :) I'm a rational hedonist and sybarite. Take that anyway you want. :D

ETA
ChristopherMarlowe I've spent the last few evenings (actually very early AM :) watching a number of Utube videos and audio recordings of some of the best music ever written or sung. A partial list:
Sarah Brightman singing Nella Fantasia (song based on Gabriel's Oboe from The Mission by Morricone)
Gabriel's Oboe orchestral version, cond. by Morricone.
Faure: Pavane pour un infant defunt (Pavane for a dead child)
Sarah Brightman singing Nessun Dorma (tenor aria from Turandot) - her version is better than any tenor's i've ever heard
Saint Seans Piano Concerto #2 1st movement
Beethoven's Choral Fantasy



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 10 15:33:04 2013 66.246.173.34)
wolfguard Christopher Marlowe The demon bikers:
1- Taken as an idea in itself, it was doen quite well.

2-Literarily, I'm no critic so I won't evlaute that too much. Could a better choice have been made, an inhernetly more credible adversary (leaving out Point 3 following) yes, probably.

3-The big problem is simple. The whole "Denial is this town's disease" principle can't cover this. Yes, they were demons, not humans, but they were not using magic or super-powers. They functioned as a perfectly ordinary biker gang.
Now, I've seen the Wild One, I read articles in magazines in the 60s about biker gang attacks on small towns. Let's leave aside the hsitorical point that these gnags had changed their m.o. over the decades.
Those attacks occurred in isolated small towns, basically less tha 5K people, soemtimes not even towns, just road junctions with a few homes and businesses, with immadiately available police forces of at best 5 guys, usually less, and only a few armed reisdents. And nowhere near a larger settlement which could do anything.
Sunnydale is almost 40K and ahs a fubnctioning police force. They might be "Deeply stupid," but they repsond to street crime, as we saw in, for exmaple, "Bad Girls.". Plus a National Guard or Army base, and they are not all that far from other towns, as We've seen in "SAR" or "IWMTLY."

It was just plain the worng setting for that menace.

There are some other weaknesses, apparent wekanesses which aren't, and good storng things, more later maybe. But wanted to deal with that above.



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jan 10 15:14:14 2013 204.180.133.131)
Trivia Girl - Zone Improvement Plan.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jan 10 15:04:28 2013 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Words
Questions: In ZIP code, What is ZIP an abbreviation for?



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jan 10 14:17:22 2013 24.52.38.199)
TODAY is January 10th, 2013 C.E

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!


bec
Carolyn Grace (Holly Frog's Childe)
Catmint
Isis Osiris
Kitty
Starlette




Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
bec, Carolyn Grace, Catmint, Isis Osiris, Kitty, Starlette!




If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there, it would have been like Woodstock.
Spike, 'School Hard'


to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 10 14:10:08 2013 24.52.38.199)
Edited: Thu Jan 10 14:10:44 2013
yay Red Crayon!!!!

KAM Any plans for this weekend?



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KAM says:
(Thu Jan 10 13:35:02 2013 173.161.108.1)
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY RED CRAYON

Happy (Belated) Birthday ShadowQuest!


KAM
Ty King Fan



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 10 13:26:11 2013 66.246.173.34)
wolfguard Well, people like Pilate, the Herods, etc. are mentioned in Josephus and soemtimes by Gentile authors and as such additional details are available about them.



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jan 10 12:38:11 2013 204.180.133.131)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for red crayon!

yay red crayon!



Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 10 04:53:29 2013 4.28.180.2)
Yay Dust-em!


Happy Birthday ShadowQuest!




Christopher Marlowe,

Call-in?

Off that, I never liked the Demon Biker idea. Wish the writers could have thought of a different way to threaten Sunnydale.


Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Ignoring the comics, what has been the most surprising hook-up since the show ended? (In other words, make one up)

Dawn & Xander I've not read the comics.


Good Night to All

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 10 04:39:03 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard I also gotta call into question the Demon Biker Gang. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 10 04:15:05 2013 4.28.180.2)
valMichael,

I saw first season BtVS in real time, but thereafter always saw it on tape. During second season, I would often watch an episode by acts - one a day. *g*

WG



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valMichael says:
(Thu Jan 10 04:00:23 2013 98.195.92.226)
wolfguard I can't watch just episode one. I have to do both episode



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 10 03:52:54 2013 4.28.180.2)
Christopher Marlowe,

Freed or killed Faith.

I watched Bargaining 1. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 10 03:10:03 2013 24.52.38.199)
Edited: Thu Jan 10 03:11:40 2013
wolfguard I thought occurs to me, what would the Watchers' Council have done had they known Buffy was dead?

ETA

Sarah's Carl That's what I get for not looking while posting. *g*



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Thu Jan 10 02:33:41 2013 68.45.216.85)
ChristopherMarlowe,
Yup, I read, see below :) But no SMG. But great behind the scenes.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 10 02:24:56 2013 24.52.38.199)
Edited: Thu Jan 10 03:11:04 2013
ETA

Never Mind. *g* Sarah's Carl was kind enough to post first!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 10 01:57:12 2013 4.28.180.2)
Maverick,

Your statement confuses cellular replication with speciation. It also assumes evolution is driven by mutation alone.

First, cell replication. How fast can cells replicate? Rather than use your estimate for the number of cells in a human body, I googled it. Here's one result ...

"The adult human body is made up of about 60-90 trillion cells."

Source: Ask a biologist

I split the difference to 75 trillion cells. A child begins as a single cell and around nine months later is born with a weight usually around 5-8 pounds. Assume a baby born weighing six pounds. How many cells in six pounds?

Assume the baby will grow to be an adult of 150 pounds with that weight representing 75 trillion cells. The baby's birth weight of six pounds is ~ 4% of its adult weight.

(7.5)(10^12) cells / (1.5)(10^2) pounds = 5x10^10 cells/pound

x 6 pounds ~ 3x10^11 cells

That's 300,000,000,000 cells that began 9 months earlier as 1 fertilized cell.

Warning: Check the math. I'm not doing this for pay. *g*

Reaching five trillion cells is child's play. I believe what you doubt as possible is the rate of speciation, i.e how fast species evolve. If one starts with single-cell life some four billion years ago, has that been enough time for complex multi-celluar life to evolve?

Biological Evolution = function of variation and natural selection

Quick & Dirty: Any given population will show variations between the individuals. For a given time and place, some variations will better increase the chances of its individuals reproducing and leaving more offspring.

Mutation is one form of variation, there are others. They all have a random taste to them, but the second step, natural selection, serves to guide development. Biological evolution is only partially random.1


1 And what does it mean to be 'random'? I know of at least one researcher who says 'random' is the word we use when cannot identify a cause.


WG



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valMichael says:
(Thu Jan 10 01:50:44 2013 98.195.92.226)
Sayings: Amarillo Slim When you sit down at the poker table look around at the players. If you don't see a sucker in the bunch, get up. You're the sucker!

So True.

Maveick contact an Evolutionary Biologist at your local university and I'm sure he'll show you where your assumption are invalid or based on a misunderstanding of the way the cells work in one celled creatures, in the body and in an evolutionary sense. Will not argue evolution vs. creationism with anyone.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 10 00:47:31 2013 24.52.38.199)
wolfguard Thank you! It's been a while since I've read the Economist, I've enjoyed reading it before.



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Comma says:
(Thu Jan 10 00:30:31 2013 97.95.128.126)
Two hundered and thirty-four days and fifty-four minutes from now, Alabama will kick off their 2013 season, August 31, against Virginia Tech at the Chick-Fil-A Kickoff Classic at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta.

Noted games of the 2013 Season:

Sept 14: College Station, Texas to play Texas A&M.

Home against LSU Nov 9.

We are lucky that we do not play Florida, Georgia, or South Carolina during the regular season. The two SEC East teams that we play are Kentucky and Tennessee. The two other non conference teams are Georgia State and Chattanooga. No team has won the national title three years in a row.

Nsahville was named the 'IT' City by the New York Times. It seems like our secret made it all the way to NYC. It as been yearsince the New York Times printed anything that I agreeded with.

lostinamerica: The Loveless Cafe chef was on 'Talk of the Town' today and made Red Velvet Cheesecake. Everything is on the Channel 5 website. It looked good!

All have a great night.

Comma



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Comma says:
(Wed Jan 9 23:49:46 2013 97.95.128.126)
R.I.P. Ned Wertimer who played the doorman on 'The Jeffersons'.

comma



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 9 22:11:30 2013 4.28.180.2)
DaddyCatALSO,

"...who aren't otherwise known historically.

And how do we come to know the 'historical' ones?


WG



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Sarah's Carl says:
(Wed Jan 9 21:56:06 2013 68.45.216.85)
Edited: Wed Jan 9 22:07:02 2013
lostinamerica, KAM, ChristopherMarlowe, Belidin, valMichael, DaddyCatALSO,
wolfguard, Maverick

Thank You Jeff Pruitt!

BTVS Stunt Videos
Behind the Scenes Just Posted on youtube


Story bleeding cool



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jan 9 21:20:32 2013 69.137.69.164)
ChristopherMarlowe--Yes, I'm not particularly good at styling my hair, so it sure would be nice to have my stylist come by and do it for me :)


wolfguard--That's true, back then people didn't travel far from their hometown, it just took too darn long ;)

Still, one of the people I work with was a farmer in the Congo and he speaks his area's language (I'm not sure what it's called), Swahili and French. He's become very good in English now too, so he speaks four languages--not bad for a guy who hails from a rural area. I don't know how close he was to a city, though.


Beldin--That has always irritated me, that people kind of look down on Americans for only speaking one language. Well, when are we going to use another language--when we travel hours away most of us are still in the same English-speaking country, whereas many Europeans are in a completely different country.

I am a big proponent of Americans getting a basic knowledge of the language if they're going abroad. I got a German language CD from the library and after a couple of months knew enough to get around. It really does help, even if a lot of the people in the country speak English, because it's inevitable you'll run into the ones who don't when you want to order food or get a taxi--we did.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 9 20:02:27 2013 66.246.173.34)
Edited: Wed Jan 9 20:28:15 2013
Maverick 1-Thoes number crunches are an old story, and always either fail to include critical factors or oversimplify a factor or make an unjustified assumption or combinations of the above.
2-We've been arguing here over general politcs and economic policy. Are you really wanting to add creation vs. evolution to the mix?

ETAwolfguard True, we know nothing of the background of the centurion. Or, really, of almost any of the characters in the Gospels who aren't otherwise known historically.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 9 20:02:17 2013 98.192.33.109)
Drive-By

Maverick,

From a quick read, I think you took a wrong fork after thinking on the number of cells in a human body. More later tonight.


DaddyCatALSO,

I think of a centurion as a field grade 'officer. But by Jesus' time the Roman army had around 750 years under its institutional history, so I've little idea of what customs and laws lead to that particular centurion visiting Jesus. Was he from Rome proper or was recruited elsewhere and came up the ranks? I don't know. I believe a Roman centurion would speak Latin. If he was recruited from elsewhere, then he would speak the 'elsewhere' language(s). If he had served for any long period of time in other provinces then he might have a smattering of those languages, including Aramaic if he'd been in Palestine long. But we don't know the details.

We do know Jesus was born and raised a Galilean peasant so Aramaic was his mother tongue. If the centurion spoke to Jesus, and not through a translator, then they probably shared Aramaic.


Lostinamerica,

Consider your experience with the 1st century Galilean peasant society. Aramaic, the language they spoke, was a 'gift' of once being invaded and forcibly relocated by a border Empire. Who else did they have to communicate?

They were self-sufficient in the basics of life. They got around by walking or sailing the inland sea. The only outsiders that some might have interacted with would be Jewish elites, possibly traders and possibly Roman soldiers and tax-collectors (the latter task was probably farmed out to locals, so they'd be speaking Aramaic).

The Jewish elites spoke Aramaic and Hebrew. The traders spoke the language(s) of their customers (Aramaic) and the soldiers spoke street Latin or Aramaic (whatever they picked up that was useful during their tour - which could have been years (Drop the rock! Now!))

The Jews had been dominated or under the influence of Greek culture for around three centuries1, but the culture didn't reach that far from the cities and towns. People learn the languages, or the portions of a language, they need, and Galilee was a backwater.



1 From Alexander to Cleopatra


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jan 9 19:57:10 2013 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Angel
Question: What ballet is featured in 'Waiting in the Wings'?
Answer: Giselle

Trivia Ballet Masters: OldManFan, valMichael, DaddyCatALSO, Maverick!


deadguy qod - Giles and Olivia! Maybe not surprising, but a pleasant surprise.



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Beldin says:
(Wed Jan 9 19:49:52 2013 173.219.167.82)
Edited: Wed Jan 9 19:50:17 2013
Drive-by


lostinamerica, wolfguard, Leather Jacket - One of my co-workers tells the story of a trip she once made to Norway. The tour guide told them, "If you speak three languages you're trilingual. If you speak two languages you're bilingual. And if you speak one language you're an American.



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Maverick says:
(Wed Jan 9 19:31:27 2013 66.184.47.113)
Trivia Girl: "The Death of the Butterfly" (I remember we made that up and used to exhibit our various interpretations of it in gym class when I was in HS.)


valMichael, Wolfguard, DaddyCatALSO: Okay, estimates of the number of cells in the human body go from 10 trillion to 100 trillion. Let's take the 10 and then assume they miscounted and that 5 trillion of those were just digestive bacteria contained therein. So, we're down to 5 trillion. If these evolved from 1-celled animals (say, paramecium), by mutations and 1 cell was added in a generation, how long would this take, just to add that number of cells over the generations? A one-celled animal does the cell-division thing in a few hours, but nowadays a generation is around 20 years, so let's average it at 1 year, for argument's sake. So, it would take 5 trillion years to produce a fully constituted human, not even allowing for all the time it would take to determine forms and functions and keep the useful and weed out the bad. This is what I was thinking about in the shower this morning. Comments?


Maverick


Human Nature




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 9 18:59:20 2013 66.246.173.34)
valMichael Or she could be going as Charlie Brown in It's the GReat Pumpkin ff. Or Charlie's date; she has the red hair *g.



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valMichael says:
(Wed Jan 9 18:38:48 2013 98.195.92.226)
Edited: Wed Jan 9 18:59:44 2013
Question In Halloween, Willow's costume had a big Boo on it. What if instead it was a ghost costume filled with big and little holes?
1: what would she be going as?
2: What episode would be more appropriate for that costume and why?


wait for it ...



answer spoilered for delicate brains
]
1. The Holey Ghost!
2. Fear Itself.
A Perfect partner for God (Oz).
[

Chess In the latest FIDE rating lists, Grandmaster Magnus Carlson at 22 achieved the highest chess rating ever: 2861. As a comparison, at my top playing days I was a class "A" player with a highest rating of 1850, and compared to the average guy I was damned good. He could be me as easily as I can beat an 800 rated player. Neither of us would have to even think about what to move. :)



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valMichael says:
(Wed Jan 9 18:00:58 2013 98.195.92.226)
Edited: Wed Jan 9 18:40:09 2013
Happy Birthday: Angelicious, Crybuffy, Jillian, and ShadowQuest!

YAY dust'em!

Birthday Gnomette
Ok, now you are abusing sarcasm!

Trivia Girl Giselle - I just loved that episode. Cordelia couldn't look lovelier. And the scene in the Dressing room between Cordelia and Angle couldn't get any hotter without an M rating! That was one of the perfect Angel episodes (Gunn gushing about guys in tights, Gunn-Wesley competition over Fred, the sword fight, etc. :)

deadguy QOD Xander and Dawn. Kinda presaged by Xander watching Dawn dance at the Bronze in "Him".



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 9 17:44:47 2013 205.141.67.16)
lostinamerica Ohh! Do be able to have your hair done professional would be nice, something more than trim at the local Cost Cutters. *g*



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 9 17:36:09 2013 66.246.173.34)
Edited: Wed Jan 9 17:48:35 2013
Trivia Girl Ah, sick of waiting - Giselle. And ballet is as bleak as opera, I guess.

Hmm, I'm thinking I want to get more "familjer" with the story of it, see how it compares to the whole Wesley-Gunn-Fred dynamic. Maybe a paper for _Slayage_ in that?



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KAM says:
(Wed Jan 9 16:49:03 2013 173.161.108.1)
Hello again,

lostinamerica: Well, "Alfred" would have to be a trained barber as well, and he would be required to trim my hair every 3 days to keep my hair at the perfectly manageable length.

AND, I'd also say things like "Alfred, have the boy go fetch my X, Y or Z." He's say "The Boy sir?" Then I'd say, "You, you fetch my X, Y or Z." Credit to Futurama

KAM
Ty King Fan



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jan 9 16:12:50 2013 69.137.69.164)
KAM--LOL, and here all I know I would definitely do if I get rich is my hair done more :)



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 9 15:38:55 2013 66.246.173.34)
Edited: Wed Jan 9 16:18:59 2013
Deadguy Memorial Quod Well, if you're literally suggestign "amke one up" I'll go with the one in my "Children Of the 'Dale" ficverse which got me the "Waht the Hell Award' ina contest, and say Harmony-Jonathan.

wolfguard Beldin Leather Jacket Okay, oen distinction which needs to eb amde is between the older written Greek of the classicla Greek writers and the Koine spoekn as a common language around much of the MEditerranean. Whole they weren't super-different, a Roman with only a reading knowledge of "proper" Greek would ahve had to *learn* Koine. The question of who actually spoke what is complicated and the experts don't agree on it. However, it's considered likely that many if not most Roman officials in the Eastern parts of the empire, and southenr Italy would have basic onversatioanl ability in KOine.
A *lo*t depends on how prominent Jesus's fmaily was. If Joseph was an ordinary skilled worker in caprnetry, in ancvinet times thta was poor,a nd generlay disadvnataged. (Of cours,e thy fmaily would still ened to know Koine if they'd done much work in nearby Tiberias.) If joseph was more of abuidler and communtiy planner, they woudl've had kore status.
And soem people claim that Jesus's actual sattements indicate he didn't know Koine veyr well simply because the Greek versions read well with armamaic grammtical rules, but badly with Greek.



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Jan 9 15:31:01 2013 204.180.133.131)
Trivia Girl - Giselle.

deadguy QOD - I think the most surprising hook-up was Oz and Taylor Swift... although the songs that came out of it were legendary.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jan 9 15:08:17 2013 205.141.67.16)
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuits

Category: Angel
Question: What ballet is featured in 'Waiting in the Wings'?



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KAM says:
(Wed Jan 9 14:45:00 2013 173.161.108.1)
Good Morning Everyone,

lostinamerica: Well, if I were making $400k a year, I'd certainly feel "Upper middle class"...or even perhaps "lower upper class." BUT, when you're talking about someone who lives in New York or California or any of the other wildly overpriced places, that's not a lot of money at all.

Having a fixed threshold for being "rich" with wildly varying costs of living is ridiculous...but that's government for you.

Bat-Cave. Oh, sure--that would be ONE thing I'd get. I also have a fondness for Mountain top Fortresses. Sure, they're horribly dated as far as protection goes, but who would want to bomb me? And, the view is totally worth it.

You know what else I'd have? Dirigible. Totally awesome, AND a good match with my mountaintop fortress.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Jan 9 14:26:28 2013 69.137.69.164)
KAM--I haven't looked closely at what Congress passed, but I believe the tax increases begin at individuals making $400,000 a year. So, yes, not rich but upper middle class. Still, I've read the top 1 percent, the people who really are rich, will be paying a lot more--according to Business Week, people making more than $2.7 million will pay an average of $443,910 more in 2013. That sure seems like a lot, possibly paying an additional sixth more of your income. But will they really be paying that--I've always heard the rich can hide their money better than the rest of us, so we'll see. Households with incomes between $500,000 and $1 million will pay an average of $14,812 more, which also seems like a lot more.

Ah, if you become a rich man you'll be getting a bat cave too ;)


Sarah's Carl--Yeah, I thought the coverage of McCarron's girlfriend was borderline creepy. OK, he's dating a beauty queen. . .and?


wolfguard, Leather Jacket--I'm just going to throw out there that in my experience with refugees (the majority of the group I work with is uneducated) many speak at least three languages--their own, their country's official language and the one of the area or country nearest them. I think since we Americans don't have to speak another language to get along in our different states we forget that those who live in countries that border other countries do, out of necessity. And it doesn't matter if you've been to school or not, because you're learning it from the people you're coming in contact with--here we're surrounded by people speaking English and so we usually have to learn another language in school.


Happy Birthday ShadowQuest!



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KAM says:
(Wed Jan 9 13:32:12 2013 173.161.108.1)
Hello again,

YAY DUST'EM

Deadguy QOD
: I've never been so happy to NOT have an answer for a QOD. :)

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Jan 9 13:12:48 2013 24.52.38.199)
TODAY is January 9th, 2013 C.E

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Angelicious
Crybuffy
Jillian
ShadowQuest




Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Angelicious, Crybuffy, Jillian, ShadowQuest!




All right, I'll just jump in my time machine, go back to the twelfth century, and ask the vampires to postpone their ancient prophecy for a few days while you take in dinner and a show' Giles, Never Kill a Boy on the First Date

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Jan 9 13:09:36 2013 204.180.133.131)
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for dust'em!

yay dust'em!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by

dingoes ate my baby - now touring after their video howl at the moon went viral

ignoring the comics (because I havent read them), what has been the most surprising hook-up since the show ended (in other words, make one up)?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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valMichael says:
(Wed Jan 9 06:45:12 2013 98.195.92.226)
Thoin double nickel, not double quarter? for a minute there I thought you were born around the time of Pythagoras :)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 9 06:15:48 2013 24.52.38.199)
Thoin The most interestign thing right now is the results of the Senior Survey. Last summer, a study was done on the needs of current seniors as well as future needs of seniors. While our city got high marks in some areas, there are many more areas that need a lot of work.



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Thoin says:
(Wed Jan 9 05:15:35 2013 71.57.12.77)
As the still-gingerale-and-limeless Thoin considers that she picked a late hour to go Bronzing, she feels her head begin to droop.

Of course, at this point, she has little or no control over the matter and her head continues to droop as drool appears in the corner of her slightly-open mouth. Bronzers close enough can almost hear her eyes slamming shut and, nervously, they begin to move away. They know what is coming. So does the Friendly Bartender, who grumpily drags out the Large Industrial-Sized Jar of Ear Plugs.

Bronzers rush to avail themselves, Before It Grows Louder...


Sleepy-POOF!



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Thoin says:
(Wed Jan 9 05:03:53 2013 71.57.12.77)
Wolfgaurd, thank you, sir!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 9 04:56:33 2013 4.28.180.2)
Yay Dianne!


Happy Birthday Thoin!


Happy Birthday Amber Benson!



Christopher Marlowe,

Several articles in this week's The Economist ...

Briefing: Coal in the rich world
The mixed fortunes of a fuel

Why is the world's most harmful fossil fuel being burned less in America and more in Europe?

Europe's dirty secret
The unwelcome renaissance

Europe's energy policy delivers the worst of all possible worlds

(It's partly the curse of unintended consequences)


Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Since the events in chosen, how many times has Xander had to make major repairs to Buffy or Willow's house/apartment?

Once. After Buffy allied herself and the scoobies with the New Council, all such repairs have been contracted out.


Good Night to All

WG


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